Understanding Zero Sets: Real Analysis Examples

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The discussion revolves around the concept of zero sets in real analysis, particularly focusing on definitions, examples, and the conditions under which certain sets can be classified as zero sets. Participants express confusion regarding the concept and seek clarification on how to determine if specific sets qualify as zero sets.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for a clear definition of a zero set and examples, expressing difficulty in understanding the concept.
  • Another participant suggests that the empty set is a zero set, providing an example of a set with no valid elements.
  • A different participant clarifies that the discussion is not about the empty set, indicating that the topic is more complex.
  • One participant proposes the idea of a set of measure zero, questioning if that is what is meant by a zero set.
  • Another participant references a Wikipedia article, stating that a zero set of a function is the subset of R where the function equals zero, suggesting a method to check if a set is a zero set by evaluating the function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the definition of a zero set, with multiple competing views and interpretations presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature and criteria of zero sets.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion, including varying definitions of zero sets, the potential confusion between zero sets and empty sets, and the lack of clarity on the relationship between zero sets and sets of measure zero.

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What is the definition of a zero set and what exactly does it mean?

I have come across different responses on the internet, but none of them explain really what it means or give good examples, I am having a rough time with this concept in real analysis.

For example, how would I determine if {(x,f(x)) : x in R} (f maps R to R is continuous) is a zero set? What would I be looking at to help determine that?
 
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matumich26 said:
What is the definition of a zero set and what exactly does it mean?

I have come across different responses on the internet, but none of them explain really what it means or give good examples, I am having a rough time with this concept in real analysis.

For example, how would I determine if {(x,f(x)) : x in R} (f maps R to R is continuous) is a zero set? What would I be looking at to help determine that?

Are you talking about the empty set? An empty set is a set that has no valid elements and whose size is 0. It is also denoted by ∅. For example, {x∈R | x2 < 0} = ∅.

Also, to add to this, {(x,f(x)) : x in R} = ∅ only if there's no function. Otherwise, we can find a valid coordinate point.
 
gb7nash said:
Are you talking about the empty set? An empty set is a set that has no valid elements and whose size is 0. It is also denoted by ∅. For example, {x∈R | x2 < 0} = ∅.

Also, to add to this, {(x,f(x)) : x in R} = ∅ only if there's no function. Otherwise, we can find a valid coordinate point.

No, I am not talking about an empty set. That is trivial.
 
Do you mean a set of measure zero?? A null set?
 
Well, if he's referring to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_set

a zero set of a function f is the subset of R on which f(x) = 0. Basically, the set of roots of a function. To check that a given set is a zero set, just plug in each value into f and assert that f = 0. If that's not what he wants I'm not sure.
 

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