Uni for undergrad physics - does it matter which?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the choice between two undergraduate physics programs, focusing on their course structures, industry versus research orientation, and the implications for future academic pursuits. Participants explore the relevance of specific courses, such as linear algebra and differential equations, in relation to the programs' strengths and weaknesses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the first program is more industry-focused, while the second emphasizes research, detailing the course outlines for both.
  • Concerns are raised about the first program's lack of a linear algebra course and its perceived inadequacy in preparing students for physics.
  • Another participant questions the assertion that the first program leads to better job prospects in science.
  • There is a suggestion that the second program is more legitimate due to its inclusion of essential mathematics courses and a lab component.
  • Some participants highlight that different universities have varying approaches to teaching mathematics within physics programs, which may affect the overall education quality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the adequacy of the two programs, particularly regarding the importance of mathematics courses. There is no consensus on which program is superior, as viewpoints vary based on individual priorities and interpretations of the course content.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific course requirements and the potential need for minors in mathematics, indicating that the discussion may depend on institutional policies and definitions of program quality.

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Students considering undergraduate physics programs, educators evaluating curriculum structures, and individuals interested in the relationship between academic training and career outcomes in science.

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The first one seems more industry focused whilst the second focuses on research. Here are the course outlines:

1
Sem 1 - Physics
Sem 2 - Calculus 1, Mechanics, Electromagnetism and Thermodynamics
Sem 3 - Calculus 2, Materials and Thermal Physics, Optics and Radiation Physics
Sem 4 - Mathematics for Physicists, Electromagnetics and Quantum Physics
Sem 5 - Quantum and Statistical Physics, Applied Physics
Sem 6 - Photonics and Nuclear Physics, Solid State Physics

Pros: Convenient (transport + already been there for a couple of years), more likely to have a job in science when I graduate
Cons: I'm not sure if you can minor in math because it's a different dept, the course seems pretty half-***ed

2
Sem 1 - Physics 1, Calculus 2*
Sem 2 - Physics 2, Linear Algebra
Sem 3 - Quantum Mechanics and Special Relativity, Thermal and Classical Physics, Vector Calculus
Sem 4 - Electromagnetism and Optics, Real Analysis with Applications
Sem 5 - Quantum Physics, Electrodynamics, Complex Analysis
Sem 6 - Statistical Physics, Physics Lab A

* or Calculus 1 depending on your HSC score

Pros: research focused
Cons: Not as close to as I'd like, hey require you to take one extra subject which isn't related to your course, so nothing science-related (IMO, a waste of time)


Assuming I do well, I intend on pursuing a Master's after I graduate at the second Uni (or interstate) and later down the track, maybe a PhD as I'm interested in doing research

So basically, does it matter which of the two I go to for my undergraduate degree?
 
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Why are you "more likely to have a job in science when [you] graduate" for #1?
 
Out curiosity, which universities are these? Where are you from? I ask because you mentioned the HSC.
 
Physics without a linear algebra course seems iffy to me, industry-focused or otherwise. For that matter, so does physics without differential equations, though that may vary a little more. Granted, if you can do that minor in math that won't be a problem. 2 does appear more legit to me because it locks in that mathematics background in the program, although it'll likely be part of the prereqs for #1 anyway. On that grounds, and on the grounds that #2 includes a lab aspect, I would prefer #2, but you'll have to clear that part about the maths up.
 
a7d07c8114 said:
Physics without a linear algebra course seems iffy to me, industry-focused or otherwise. For that matter, so does physics without differential equations, though that may vary a little more.

(Canadian, so take what I say with a grain of salt)

Some universities teach the mathematics required for physics in the physics courses, while others require (or encourage) you to take the specific mathematics courses.

For example, my (relatively) small university doesn't even offer a specific course in partial differential equations, but there's mathematical physics courses that cover them extensively.
 

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