Uniform Circular Motion

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The discussion revolves around an object in uniform circular motion that experiences a decrease in mass due to evaporation of CO2. Participants are exploring the implications of this mass loss on the object's velocity and angular momentum.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are questioning whether the centripetal force will change as mass decreases and how this affects velocity and angular momentum. Some express skepticism about the assumption that angular momentum remains constant despite mass loss, while others consider the direction of gas escape and its impact on angular momentum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the effects of mass loss on angular momentum. Participants are providing insights and questioning assumptions, particularly about the mechanics of gas escape and its implications for the system's dynamics.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity regarding the wording of the problem, particularly about the axis of rotation and the direction of gas escape. Some participants note that the direction of gas escape could significantly influence the angular momentum of the object.

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Homework Statement



An object is in uniform circular motion. As the time passes by, its mass decreases. ( It has Co2 in it, and it evaporates) What will happen to the object's velocity and angular momentum?



Homework Equations



F = mV²/r, L = mvr


The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I'm trying to figure out if the centripetal force will change. According to the first formula, it seems like it will. ( As the mass of the object decreases). But I do think that maybe the object will increase in order to balance so that the centripetal force won't change.


The answer is = V increases, L does not change. Even if the V increases, it'll increase to balance the decrease of mass(Actually, V² will increase proportionally to M, so in all cases angular moment mvr, should decrease)

Can anybody help me with this?
 
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I do not think the answer where the angular momentum of the mass is constant is correct. The mass evaporates alright, but the vapor carries angular momentum away with it. You cannot just assume that does not happen, that would be nonphysical, unless you can describe some plausible mechanism preventing that.
 
voko said:
I do not think the answer where the angular momentum of the mass is constant is correct. The mass evaporates alright, but the vapor carries angular momentum away with it. You cannot just assume that does not happen, that would be nonphysical, unless you can describe some plausible mechanism preventing that.

Thanks voko. I kind of think the same. In all cases I've thought of so far, angular moment changes. Well, guess the answer given by the book is incorrect.
 
The problem is very badly worded. For instance, it is not clear what the object is rotating about. If that is its center of mass, and the axis of rotation do not change, then it is possible for vapors to escape axially, without affecting the angular momentum of the object.

In any other configuration, that seems impossible.
 
In this situation, much depends on the possible direction(s) for the gas to escape. If the gas can escape in all possible directions equally, then it will on average take away the angular momentum proportional to its mass. If any direction is preferred, then it may increase or decrease the angular momentum of the rotating body, but the rate of the increase or decrease will depend on many factors.
 
voko said:
In this situation, much depends on the possible direction(s) for the gas to escape. If the gas can escape in all possible directions equally, then it will on average take away the angular momentum proportional to its mass. If any direction is preferred, then it may increase or decrease the angular momentum of the rotating body, but the rate of the increase or decrease will depend on many factors.

Oh. I beg your pardon. I did not think that it was important. It says that the gas goes perpendicular to horizontal plane. By the way, how's that important at all?
 
Nugso said:
Oh. I beg your pardon. I did not think that it was important. It says that the gas goes perpendicular to horizontal plane. By the way, how's that important at all?

Still somewhat unclear. If the gas escapes vertically relatively to the rotating mass, then relatively to the fixed center of rotation it will still have the horizontal velocity equal to that of the rotating mass.

If, however, the gas escapes vertically relatively to the fixed center of rotation, then it will have zero horizontal velocity. But that means that, relatively to the rotating mass, it will have to escape at a certain angle and with a very specific escape velocity, which is possible, but requires careful engineering.
 
voko said:
Still somewhat unclear. If the gas escapes vertically relatively to the rotating mass, then relatively to the fixed center of rotation it will still have the horizontal velocity equal to that of the rotating mass.

If, however, the gas escapes vertically relatively to the fixed center of rotation, then it will have zero horizontal velocity. But that means that, relatively to the rotating mass, it will have to escape at a certain angle and with a very specific escape velocity, which is possible, but requires careful engineering.

Thank you very much voko. I hope it's the book's mistake, not mine.
 

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