Unique x for all g in G such that $x^m=g$?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of group elements in a finite group \( G \) of order \( n \) with respect to an integer \( m \) such that \( \gcd(m,n)=1 \). Participants explore the implications of the condition \( x^m = y^m \) leading to \( x = y \) and the existence of a unique \( x \) for every \( g \in G \) such that \( x^m = g \). The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if \( x^m = y^m \), then \( x = y \) can be shown using the existence of integers \( a \) and \( b \) such that \( am + bn = 1 \), leading to \( m^{-1} = a \mod n \).
  • Others express uncertainty about the existence part of the problem, specifically how to show that for every \( g \in G \), there is a unique \( x \) such that \( x^m = g \).
  • One participant suggests defining a function \( f: G \rightarrow G \) as \( f(g) = g^m \) and notes that since \( f \) is injective and \( G \) is finite, it must also be surjective, implying existence.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of the condition \( \gcd(m,n)=1 \) and its relationship to the existence of integers \( a \) and \( b \) satisfying \( am + bn = 1 \).
  • Another participant provides a detailed example using a specific group \( G = \{e,a,a^2\} \) to illustrate the concepts discussed, including the bijective nature of the mapping defined by \( g \to g^2 \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the uniqueness aspect of the solution but express differing views on the existence part, with some participants providing methods to demonstrate it while others remain uncertain.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of groups and the implications of the gcd condition, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or fully resolved within the thread.

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Let G be a group, |G|=n and m an integer such that gcd(m,n)=1.

(i) show that $x^m=y^m$ implies $x=y$

(ii)Hence show that for all g in G there is a unique x such that $x^m=g$

(i) there exist a, b such that am+bn=1 so that $m^{-1}=a (mod n)$.

Hence $x^m=y^m ->x=y$ ok?

(ii) (i) shows uniqueness. Not sure about existence. Cheers.
 
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Poirot said:
Let G be a group, |G|=n and m an integer such that gcd(m,n)=1.

(i) show that $x^m=y^m$ implies $x=y$

(ii)Hence show that for all g in G there is a unique x such that $x^m=g$

(i) there exist a, b such that am+bn=1 so that $m^{-1}=a (mod n)$.

Hence $x^m=y^m ->x=y$ ok?

(ii) (i) shows uniqueness. Not sure about existence. Cheers.
To show existence in (ii) define $f:G\rightarrow G$ as $f(g)=g^m$. We know that $f$ is an injective map. Since $G$ is finite, $f$ is also surjective. Hence...
 
Very clever. I know in part (i) that am+bn=1 ->$m^{-1}=a$ mod(n), but I've attempted to derive this and have failed.
 
Poirot said:
Very clever. I know in part (i) that am+bn=1 ->$m^{-1}=a$ mod(n), but I've attempted to derive this and have failed.
Are you asking why is it true that $\gcd (m,n)=1 \Rightarrow \exists a,b\in \mathbb{Z}$ such that $am+bn=1$??
 
caffeinemachine said:
Are you asking why is it true that $\gcd (m,n)=1 \Rightarrow \exists a,b\in \mathbb{Z}$ such that $am+bn=1$??

Actually forget about it. am = 1 (mod n) because am - 1 is a multiple of n (which is what I was asking)
 
Poirot said:
Actually forget about it. am = 1 (mod n) because am - 1 is a multiple of n (which is what I was asking)
Okay.
 
you can also write it this way:

since $am+bn = 1$

$x^m = y^m \implies (x^m)^a = (y^m)^a$

$\implies x^{am} = y^{am} \implies (x^{am})(e^b) = (y^{am})(e^b)$

$\implies (x^{am})((x^n)^b) = (y^{am})((y^n)^b)$

$\implies (x^{am})(x^{bn}) = (y^{am})(y^{bn})$

$\implies x^{am+bn} = y^{am+bn} \implies x = y$

as an example of how this works, suppose $G = \{e,a,a^2\}$

and we have $x^2 = y^2$.

if $x = e$, then $y = e$ since $G$ has no elements of order 2.

if $x = a$, then $e^2 = e$, and $(a^2)^2 = a$, so $y$ must be $a$.

if $x = a^2$, then $e^2 = e$ and $(a)^2 = a^2$ but $x^2 = a$, so $y = a^2$.

what are the a and b in this case?

clearly 1 = (-1)2 + (1)3

so $x = x^{am+bn} = (x^2)^{-1}(x^3)^1 = x^{-2}$

the map $G \to G$ given by $g \to g^2$ is:

$e \to e$
$a \to a^2$
$a^2 \to a$ <--clearly bijective (in this case it's just the inversion map).

those "fun facts" we learned about factoring integers into primes in grade school, turn out to be useful after all.
 

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