Unit Vector Magnitudes and Forces

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The discussion revolves around solving a statics problem involving unit vectors and forces in a cable system. The user provides coordinates for points A, B, C, and D, along with their corresponding position and unit vectors. They express uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations, particularly regarding the use of cross products and balancing forces. The response emphasizes that the focus should be on balancing the forces without considering vertical components, suggesting the use of algebraic symbols for clarity in equations. The overall goal is to establish a balance of forces equation that accurately represents the system without unnecessary complexity.
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The Attempt at a Solution



Co-ordinates of each point
A, (0, 60, 0)
B, (40, 0, 0)
C, (-40, 0, 40)
D, (-60, 0, -60)

Position Vectors
rAB, 40i + -60j + 0k
rAC, -40i + -60j + 40k
rAD, -60i + -60j + -60k

Unit Vectors corresponding these position vectors
eAB, 0.5547i + -0.8321j + 0k
eAC, -0.4851i + -0.7276j + 0.4851k
eAD, -0.5774i + -0.5774j + -0.5774k

This is all I know, I'm not sure how to complete the other questions.

For question would I have to put the two position vectors and do a cross product?

Something like...

i j k
-0.4851 -0.7276 0.4851
-0.5774 -0.5774 -0.5774

[(-0.7276)(-0.5774) - (0.4851)(-0.5774)]i + [(-0.4851)(-0.5774) - (0.4851)(-0.5774)]j + [(-0.4851)(-0.5774) - (-0.7276)(-0.5774)]k

If not, I'm totally lost, and need help!
 
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I see no reason to consider cross products here. It's a simple statics question.
What components of the forces in the cables are of interest? What equations can you write down which say they balance out?
 
So essentially, balance out the forces...

Basically something like...

ForceTotal = ForceAB + ForceAC + ForceAD

2kN(eAB) = ForceAB = 1.1094i - 1.6642j + 0k
 
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nobodyuknow said:
So essentially, balance out the forces...

Basically something like...

ForceTotal = ForceAB + ForceAC + ForceAD

2kN(eAB) = ForceAB = 1.1094i - 1.6642j + 0k
Forces in the y direction are not interesting. Whatever they add up to in tensions will be balanced by compression in the tower.
Your resolution of the 2kN into i and j looks right, but I'd rather you stuck with the algebraic symbols, like 'cos(θ)', not plugging in actual numbers until the end. It makes it much easier to follow what you're doing and spot any errors.
Create unknowns for the other tensions, write out their resolutions into i, j, k and hence the balance of forces equation.
 
So do you mean like...
ForceTotal = (eABi |FAB| + eACi |FAC| + eADi |FAD|)i + (eABj |FAB| + eACj |FAC| + eADj |FAD|)j + (eABi |FAB| + eACk |FAC| + eADk |FAD|)k

Which then becomes something like...

eACi |FAC| + eADi |FAD|)i = eABi |FAB|
eACj |FAC| + eADj |FAD|)j = eABj |FAB|
eACk |FAC| + eADk |FAD|)k = eABk |FAB|
 
Yes, except that as I mentioned you cannot write a useful equation for the vertical forces. That would involve the compression in the tower, which you don't care about.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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