Why Use Unit Vectors in Calculations?

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The discussion revolves around the use of unit vectors in physics calculations, particularly in the context of determining the velocity of a particle moving in the xy-plane. The original poster presents a specific problem involving initial velocity components and acceleration, questioning the consistency of results obtained using unit vectors versus traditional vector notation.

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  • Participants explore the application of unit vectors in solving a kinematics problem, comparing results from both unit vector and traditional vector approaches. Questions arise regarding the conditions under which these methods yield the same results and the importance of arithmetic accuracy in calculations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between unit vector notation and traditional vector calculations. Some participants have provided guidance on checking arithmetic and have confirmed that both approaches should yield the same results when applied correctly. However, the original poster continues to seek clarification on the consistency of these methods.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings about vector notation and calculation methods, emphasizing the need for careful arithmetic and the implications of using unit vectors in vector equations.

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I'm confused about what situations you should use unit vectors in... and it seems that when I approach the same problem using unit vectors vs. without unit vectors, I get different answers. Why?
To illustrate my confusion, here's an example that I tried solving using unit vectors, and without unit vectors.

For example:

Homework Statement


A particle moves in the xy plane from the origin at t=0 with an initial velocity having an x-component of 20m/s, and a y-component of -15m/s. The particle has an acceleration in the x-direction of ax=4m/s2

What is the velocity of the particle at 5 seconds?

2. Homework Equations

Velocity as a function of time: vf=vi+at

The Attempt at a Solution


Expressed as unit vectors:
vf = (vix+axt)i + (viy+ayt)j
vf = (20+4t)i - 15j
vf = [20 +4(5)]i - 15j = (40i - 15j)m/s
Expressed into x and y components: vfx=40m/s, vfy=-15m/s
vf = sqrt(402 + (-15)2) = 37m/s

Expressed as "regular" vectors:
x direction: vfx = vix+axt = 20+4t
y direction: vfy = viy+ayt = -15 +4(0) = -15
vf = sqrt[(20+4t)2 + (-15)2] = sqrt(625 + 160t + 16t2) = 43m/s

EDIT: I rechecked my calculations, and realized that my final answer for the unit vector approach is also 43m/s... D'oh!
Given my mistake, my question is now: Will a unit vector approach always give me the same answer as when I don't use unit vectors?
 
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vetgirl1990 said:
I'm confused about what situations you should use unit vectors in... and it seems that when I approach the same problem using unit vectors vs. without unit vectors, I get different answers. Why?
To illustrate my confusion, here's an example that I tried solving using unit vectors, and without unit vectors.

For example:

Homework Statement


A particle moves in the xy plane from the origin at t=0 with an initial velocity having an x-component of 20m/s, and a y-component of -15m/s. The particle has an acceleration in the x-direction of ax=4m/s2

What is the velocity of the particle at 5 seconds?

2. Homework Equations

Velocity as a function of time: vf=vi+at

The Attempt at a Solution


Expressed as unit vectors:
vf = (vix+axt)i + (viy+ayt)j
vf = (20+4t)i - 15j
vf = [20 +4(5)]i - 15j = (40i - 15j)m/s
Expressed into x and y components: vfx=40m/s, vfy=-15m/s
vf = sqrt(402 + (-15)2) = 37m/s

Expressed as "regular" vectors:
x direction: vfx = vix+axt = 20+4t
y direction: vfy = viy+ayt = -15 +4(0) = -15
vf = sqrt[(20+4t)2 + (-15)2] = sqrt(625 + 160t + 16t2) = 43m/s

In the last line of the 'unit vectors' calculation, check your arithmetic when you calculate the velocity at t = 5 sec.

In the last line of your 'regular' calculation, why did you expand (20 + 4t)2 ? Why didn't you just evaluate (20 + 4t) and then square the result?
 
SteamKing said:
In the last line of the 'unit vectors' calculation, check your arithmetic when you calculate the velocity at t = 5 sec.

In the last line of your 'regular' calculation, why did you expand (20 + 4t)2 ? Why didn't you just evaluate (20 + 4t) and then square the result?

Such a trivial mistake on my part! Yes, I redid my calculations and got 43m/s for both approaches. Now, will a "unit vector" approach always give me the same answer as when I don't use unit vectors?
 
vetgirl1990 said:
Such a trivial mistake on my part! Yes, I redid my calculations and got 43m/s for both approaches. Now, will a "unit vector" approach always give me the same answer as when I don't use unit vectors?
It should. You still have to keep your arithmetic checked, though.
 
vetgirl1990 said:
Will a unit vector approach always give me the same answer as when I don't use unit vectors?

Of course. It's just a different way of writing things out. Note that you can write a vector equation with unit vectors, something you cannot do without them.

For example, ##\vec{J}=25 \hat i+7 \hat j##
 

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