Resnick Halliday Krane Unit Vectors question

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The discussion revolves around vector operations in physics, specifically focusing on the addition and subtraction of vectors, as well as finding resultant vectors and their magnitudes and directions. The original poster presents two sets of vector problems involving unit vectors and seeks assistance in verifying their calculations and understanding the concepts involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for vector addition and subtraction, particularly focusing on the correct formulation of vector equations. There are attempts to clarify the nature of vector components and the need for proper algebraic manipulation. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of angles and quadrants in vector direction.

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Participants are actively engaging in the discussion, providing hints and suggestions for reevaluating the original poster's approach. Some guidance has been offered regarding the component-wise addition of vectors and the interpretation of angles in relation to the coordinate axes. There is recognition of the need to consider quadrants when determining vector directions.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the unique components of vectors and the implications of the problem's phrasing, particularly regarding the reference to the positive x-axis for angle measurements. There is also mention of potential confusion stemming from the original poster's calculations and assumptions.

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The start of a new school year in Ap physics C, and our favorite engineering professors causing students distress! Maybe the champions of the textbook can help me out... = )

Homework Statement



1. Two vectors are given by
a = 4i hat - 3j hat + k hat
b = -i hat +j hat + 4k hat.

Find
a) a + b
b) a-b
C) vector c such that a -b +c = 0

2.Given two vectors
a = 4i hat - 3j hat
b = 6i hat + 8j hat

Find the magnitudes and directions (with the +x axis) of

a)a
b)b
c)a+b
d)b-a
e)a-b

Homework Equations


components equations
etc

The Attempt at a Solution

on question 1, I've gotten parts a and b, but running into difficulty proving a-b + c=0.
i took a-b from part b and replaced it into the equation.

C)
a - b = 3i hat + 2j hat

3i hat + 2j hat + c = 0

3i hat + 2j hat + (azk hat + bz k hat)

3i hat + 2j hat + (1 + 4)k hat

3i hat + 2j hat + 5k hat = 0

i solved for vector c as 5k hat, but i am not sure if this satisfies the solution, as k hat runs into the z direction.
on question 2,

e) a - b

a = 4i hat -3j hat
b= 6i hat +8j hat

a-b=-2i hat - 11j hat

-2i hat = cx = -2
-11j hat = cy = -11

\sqrt{125} = 11.180

tan \Phi = (-11/-2) = 79.650 degrees

vector c = 11.180 at 79.650 degrees with +x-axis.

this is the answer i had gotten, but the book answer decides to choose 260 degrees. i have looked at my positive and negative symbols for my angle measure, but cannot meet the same number.

Any help is much appreciated :)
 
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Neek 007 said:
on question 1, I've gotten parts a and b, but running into difficulty proving a-b + c=0.
i took a-b from part b and replaced it into the equation.

C)
a - b = 3i hat + 2j hat
Redo that subtraction.

on question 2,

e) a - b

a = 4i hat -3j hat
b= 6i hat +8j hat

a-b=-2i hat - 11j hat

-2i hat = cx = -2
-11j hat = cy = -11

\sqrt{125} = 11.180

tan \Phi = (-11/-2) = 79.650 degrees

vector c = 11.180 at 79.650 degrees with +x-axis.
Hint: What quadrant should your answer be in?
 
For Question 1 C consider it to be a normal algebraic equation. If it were asking you for a number, z, such that if x = 3, y = 5, x - y + z = 0 What would you do? You seem to be thinking that the vector c has to be the z component of this new a-b vector, but it isn't! It is its own unique vector \vec{c} = c_{x}\hat{i} + c_{y}\hat{j} + c_{z}\hat{k}
 
Keep in mind that to add two vectors that are expressed in component form, you add them component-wise. In other words, the x-component of the resultant is the sum of the x-components of all the individual vectors, and likewise for y and z. Bearing that in mind, I think the best approach for part C is to use a vector c = (cx, cy, cz) whose components are unknown (note: boldface denotes vectors). This way you have three unknowns, but you also have three equations (which come from the component-wise summation) so you can solve for them all.
 
Great! I got both of them. for question 1 it looks like i just got a bit lazy. question 2 i did indeed needed to refer to the quadrant. For my future reference, i should always check which quadrant i am going to end up in at the end.

oh yea another small question. What does "with + x axis" mean? does it mean with respect to the x axis?

Thanks a lot!
 
Neek 007 said:
oh yea another small question. What does "with + x axis" mean? does it mean with respect to the x axis?
Yes. (As opposed to the negative x axis.)
 
Neek 007 said:
For my future reference, i should always check which quadrant i am going to end up in at the end.

A handy rule to remember is: When taking an inverse tangent on a calculator, if the answer is in the 2nd or 3rd quadrant, add 180 degrees to the answer that the calculator gives you.
 

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