Unit Vector Magnitudes and Forces

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a statics problem involving unit vectors and forces in a three-dimensional space. Participants are analyzing position vectors and their corresponding unit vectors for points A, B, C, and D, and exploring how these relate to the forces in cables connected to these points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine how to complete the problem, specifically questioning the use of cross products for calculating forces.
  • Some participants suggest focusing on the balance of forces and writing equations that represent this balance, while others emphasize the importance of keeping variables algebraic rather than substituting numerical values too early.
  • There is discussion about the components of forces that are relevant and how to express the total force in terms of the unit vectors and their magnitudes.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem without reaching a consensus on the specific methods to use. There is an emphasis on balancing forces and the need to express equations clearly, but no definitive solutions have been proposed yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the vertical forces may not be relevant to the problem, as they would involve additional factors such as compression in the tower, which is not the focus of the current discussion.

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Co-ordinates of each point
A, (0, 60, 0)
B, (40, 0, 0)
C, (-40, 0, 40)
D, (-60, 0, -60)

Position Vectors
rAB, 40i + -60j + 0k
rAC, -40i + -60j + 40k
rAD, -60i + -60j + -60k

Unit Vectors corresponding these position vectors
eAB, 0.5547i + -0.8321j + 0k
eAC, -0.4851i + -0.7276j + 0.4851k
eAD, -0.5774i + -0.5774j + -0.5774k

This is all I know, I'm not sure how to complete the other questions.

For question would I have to put the two position vectors and do a cross product?

Something like...

i j k
-0.4851 -0.7276 0.4851
-0.5774 -0.5774 -0.5774

[(-0.7276)(-0.5774) - (0.4851)(-0.5774)]i + [(-0.4851)(-0.5774) - (0.4851)(-0.5774)]j + [(-0.4851)(-0.5774) - (-0.7276)(-0.5774)]k

If not, I'm totally lost, and need help!
 
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I see no reason to consider cross products here. It's a simple statics question.
What components of the forces in the cables are of interest? What equations can you write down which say they balance out?
 
So essentially, balance out the forces...

Basically something like...

ForceTotal = ForceAB + ForceAC + ForceAD

2kN(eAB) = ForceAB = 1.1094i - 1.6642j + 0k
 
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nobodyuknow said:
So essentially, balance out the forces...

Basically something like...

ForceTotal = ForceAB + ForceAC + ForceAD

2kN(eAB) = ForceAB = 1.1094i - 1.6642j + 0k
Forces in the y direction are not interesting. Whatever they add up to in tensions will be balanced by compression in the tower.
Your resolution of the 2kN into i and j looks right, but I'd rather you stuck with the algebraic symbols, like 'cos(θ)', not plugging in actual numbers until the end. It makes it much easier to follow what you're doing and spot any errors.
Create unknowns for the other tensions, write out their resolutions into i, j, k and hence the balance of forces equation.
 
So do you mean like...
ForceTotal = (eABi |FAB| + eACi |FAC| + eADi |FAD|)i + (eABj |FAB| + eACj |FAC| + eADj |FAD|)j + (eABi |FAB| + eACk |FAC| + eADk |FAD|)k

Which then becomes something like...

eACi |FAC| + eADi |FAD|)i = eABi |FAB|
eACj |FAC| + eADj |FAD|)j = eABj |FAB|
eACk |FAC| + eADk |FAD|)k = eABk |FAB|
 
Yes, except that as I mentioned you cannot write a useful equation for the vertical forces. That would involve the compression in the tower, which you don't care about.
 

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