# Homework Help: United States Physics 1 With Calculus

1. Dec 12, 2011

### GreenPrint

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

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In the system shown below, the spring is initially at its equilibrium length, L, and the block has a velocity down the ramp of 5 m/s. At the point where the block stops and turns around, the spring has a length of L + ΔL. Calculate ΔL. The ramp is frictionless, the spring constant is k = 4 N/m, the block's mass is 2 kg, and θ = 10 degrees.

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

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I got about 3.492 meters. This problem sort of made me think more than I expected and I just wanted to make sure that my work looked reasonable and if my answer is correct possibly.

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2. Dec 12, 2011

### Delphi51

I have exactly the same as you for the first two lines.
I substituted numeric values at that point and got
2x² - 3.4x - 25 = 0 (using x in place of the delta L)
and x = 4.49.
Likely I made a mistake somewhere but it might be worth your checking your work by running it through this way.

3. Dec 12, 2011

### Simon Bridge

Your opening argument says the initial kinetic energy and the change in gravitational potential energy gets stored in the spring. (It helps get full marks if you say so on the paper you hand in.)

I like that you took it one stage at a time, you simplified the general equation before substituting the numbers, and you did a dimensional analysis to make sure you got the right units out the end. Thus you have every reason to feel confident about your method.

Some pointers:
It helps to write notes about your reasoning on your paper - you have room to do that to the right of your equations.

First line you want to write "conservation of energy" or "KE and gravity gets stored in the spring"... something that shows the method.
Second line: "in standard form"

Across the bottom - write out the answer using the words from the question:
"At the point where the block stops and turns around, the length of the spring has increased by 3.49m."

I don't know if you are expected to keep track of the significant figures and decimal places through the calculation. The mass of the block is only given to 1sig.fig.

Caveat: I did not actually crunch the numbers.

4. Dec 12, 2011

### GreenPrint

Hm interesting. I think my number crunching was correct. I just wanted to make sure my process was correct and like you said I have no reasonable doubt to do so but I just wanted to make sure. Thanks for looking at my work.

5. Dec 12, 2011

### Delphi51

I should work through your calc line by line to try to find the discrepancy, but your solution is SO long! Far better for you to work through my two liner and find the mistake there (if it is there). Run that quadratic through your calculator.

6. Dec 12, 2011

### GreenPrint

grr hold up my calculator is bad

7. Dec 12, 2011

### Delphi51

I hate fancy calculators! I have my quadratic solution in a spreadsheet. Just drop a, b, and c into it and the answers pop up. I don't think there is an error in that part of my calc.

8. Dec 12, 2011

### GreenPrint

I think it's suppose to be

-2x² + 3.4x + 25?

9. Dec 12, 2011

### GreenPrint

I found my mistake it's suppose to be the square root of 211.584 not 111.584