Units confusion in calculations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding unit calculations, specifically how the expression kg x kg-2 can be interpreted and simplified. Participants explore the implications of unit manipulation in various contexts, including physics equations and dimensional analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how kg x kg-2 can equal kg, questioning the validity of their calculations.
  • One participant suggests that kg x kg-2 simplifies to kg-1, which is equivalent to 1/kg, indicating that the original calculation may be incorrect.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify by relating the unit manipulation to a numerical example, stating that the expression does not equal kg.
  • There is a discussion about a separate calculation involving m x (ms-1)2 and its implications for unit cancellation, leading to further confusion about the final result.
  • Some participants challenge the clarity of the original problem, noting that without a complete equation, it is difficult to assess the correctness of the units involved.
  • A later reply confirms that the manipulation of units leads to kg, but expresses uncertainty about the reasoning behind this conclusion.
  • One participant acknowledges understanding the relationship between the units and their simplification, drawing a parallel to a numerical example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the unit calculations. While some agree on the mathematical simplifications, others express confusion and challenge the clarity of the original problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the provided information, such as missing details about the equations being referenced, which affects the ability to fully resolve the unit confusion.

PonderingMick
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Can someone please explain how kg x kg-2 (in superscript) can equal kg?

I hope it does or my calc is wrong! Anywhere I can revise this kind of thing?

Mick
 
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Hi PonderingMick! Welcome to PF!

Same way that 10 x 10-2 = 10-1 :wink:

Why does that bother you? :smile:
 


PonderingMick said:
Can someone please explain how kg x kg-2 (in superscript) can equal kg?

I hope it does or my calc is wrong! Anywhere I can revise this kind of thing?

Mick


tiny-tim said:
Hi PonderingMick! Welcome to PF!

Same way that 10 x 10-2 = 10-1 :wink:

Why does that bother you? :smile:

So the upshot is that kg x kg-2 doesn't equal kg.
 
PonderingMick said:
Can someone please explain how kg x kg-2 (in superscript) can equal kg?

I hope it does or my calc is wrong! Anywhere I can revise this kind of thing?

Mick
Then, I am afraid, you calc is wrong.
[tex]kg \times kg^{-2}= kg^{-1}[/tex]
which is the same as
[tex]\frac{1}{kg}[/tex]
not kg.
 
PonderingMick said:
Can someone please explain how kg x kg-2 (in superscript) can equal kg?

I hope it does or my calc is wrong! Anywhere I can revise this kind of thing?

Mick

Do you mean [tex]\frac{kg}{(kg)^2}[/tex]?

The answer would be:

[tex]\frac{1}{kg}[/tex], not [tex]kg[/tex]
 
OK, I must be wrong before I get that far.

I have:

m x (ms-1)2
N m2 kg-2

So on the top I get:
m x m2s-2

and on the bottom I get

m kg s-2 m2 kg-2

all the m and the s cancel so i just get the kg left
 
PonderingMick said:
OK, I must be wrong before I get that far.

I have:

m x (ms-1)2
N m2 kg-2

So on the top I get:
m x m2s-2

and on the bottom I get

m kg s-2 m2 kg-2

all the m and the s cancel so i just get the kg left

So what! You haven't even told us what the equation is so why should we care what the units are?

Actually it's not even an equation because it doesn't have an equals sign. How is anyone to know what is right or what is wrong with just one side of the equation?
 
PonderingMick said:
OK, I must be wrong before I get that far.

I have:

m x (ms-1)2
N m2 kg-2

So on the top I get:
m x m2s-2

and on the bottom I get

m kg s-2 m2 kg-2

all the m and the s cancel so i just get the kg left

So you get
[tex]\frac{1}{kg^{-1}} = kg.[/tex]

Is that what you're supposed to get? Without knowing more details we can't say anything more than that the units of what you started with in this post work out to kg.
 
Mute said:
So you get
[tex]\frac{1}{kg^{-1}} = kg.[/tex]

Is that what you're supposed to get? Without knowing more details we can't say anything more than that the units of what you started with in this post work out to kg.

Yes that's right, this means that my calculation is correct because the answer is a mass.

But I still don't understand why the answer to this is kg:

[tex]\frac{1}{kg^{-1}} = kg[/tex]
 
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Ok, I get it now:


[tex]\frac{1}{kg^{-1}} = kg[/tex]

for the same reason that
1
10-1 = 10

Thanks
 

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