Universe Acceleration: When Did it Begin?

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The discussion centers on the timing of the onset of the accelerating expansion of the universe, exploring various estimates and models related to this phenomenon. Participants reference different sources and calculations, highlighting discrepancies in reported values and the implications of current cosmological models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the changeover to acceleration occurred at a redshift of approximately 0.81, corresponding to an expansion age of about 6.7 billion years, based on revised calculations.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over varying estimates, noting that some sources quote the acceleration beginning 4.5 to 5 billion years ago, while others suggest 7 billion years, seeking a consensus from professional publications.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that literature may be outdated, particularly in light of new data from Riess et al., and discusses the implications of assuming a constant dark energy density in the standard LCDM model.
  • One participant provides a mathematical approach to solving the Friedman equation to estimate the changeover point, detailing the relationship between matter density and dark energy density at that time.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the utility of pinpointing the exact timing of the acceleration, suggesting that such questions may not significantly enhance understanding of the universe's expansion dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the timing of the universe's acceleration, with no clear consensus on a specific value. Discrepancies in reported estimates and the implications of different cosmological models contribute to the ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that uncertainties in cosmological parameters and the assumptions underlying various models may affect the estimates discussed. The complexity of transitioning from estimated parameters to precise timings is also acknowledged.

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When did the accelerating expansion of the universe start?
 
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marcus said:
Ich suggested the ratio is 1.5 instead of 2.22 (a missed square root). So let me revise the above. If the present H is 74, then the value at changeover would be 1.5 x 74, or about 110.
Just as a rough estimate (again using the new Riess et al numbers) this corresponds to z = 0.81, and an expansion age of 6.7 billion years. This is closer to what I remember.
 
nicksauce said:

In other places the number quoted is 5 Gyrs or 4.5 Gyrs ago. Here it is 7 Gyrs. I'm confused by such discrepancies! Could somebody give me a clean consensus number quoting professional publications, like we have for the age of the universe?
 
Anything anybody finds in the literature is likely to be old, before the new Riess numbers came out.

I don't know anything more authoritative than assuming near spatial flatness and the standard LCDM model, where the Friedman acceleration equation governs what you asked about.

You can solve that yourself and get that the redshift at changeover had to be around z = 0.82 or z = 0.83. That means that changeover happened at roughly half the current expansion age.

Like 6.7 billion years. The current age being 13.4 billion years (with the new Riess numbers).

I would shy away from trying to be too definite because a lot of things about the standard model are still being checked and verified. Are we really really sure that the dark energy density doesn't change over time? No. It just seems to be constant and assuming that gives a pretty good fit to the data, but it is still being checked.

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Ranku, in case you want to solve the Friedman equation and get the answer here by yourself. Google "Friedman equations" and go to Wiki and you will see two equations, one of them tells you what a''/a is.
a is the scale factor, and acceleration simply means a'' > 0
So you merely have to solve for a'' = 0

And the equation basically is that this ratio (which you want to be zero) is equal to some constant times (-rhomatter + 2rhoLambda)
So the thing in parenthesis must be zero at changeover. And that means that twice the dark energy density must equal the (energy) density of matter.

By the new Riess numbers we can say that the current matter density (including dark matter) is 0.23 nanojoules per cubic meter.
And we can say that the dark energy density (which we assume constant) is 0.70 nanojoules per cubic meter, so twice that is 1.4 nanojoules per cubic meter.

To find the changeover we go back in time until the the matter density equals 1.4 nanojoules per cubic meter.
Now 1+z is the distance expansion factor between here and redshift z. So (1+z)3 is the volume expansion factor. So if you go back in time to redshift z, then the matter density is (1+z)3 * 0.23 nanojoules per cubic meter.

So you just have to solve (1+z)3 * 0.23 = 1.4

(1+z)3 = 1.4/0.23

that will tell you z and then the calculator will tell you age etc if wanted.
 
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Thanks.
 
Ranku said:
In other places the number quoted is 5 Gyrs or 4.5 Gyrs ago. Here it is 7 Gyrs. I'm confused by such discrepancies! Could somebody give me a clean consensus number quoting professional publications, like we have for the age of the universe?
Well, the problem here for me is that in cosmology, we rarely bother to consider these sorts of questions. They aren't very useful for understanding what causes the expansion, or the way in which the universe behaves. As a result, it would take a significant amount of work to transition from the parameters that are estimated to the uncertainties in questions such as this one. It wouldn't surprise me at all if, at the current time, the uncertainty on when the universe started accelerating was actually that large.
 

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