Schools University Education and Financial Security

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The discussion highlights the significant financial burden of student debt, particularly for graduates from prestigious institutions like NYU, where high tuition does not guarantee high-paying jobs. Many graduates enter the workforce with substantial debt, often leading to financial instability and disillusionment about the value of their degrees. There is a critique of the belief that a college degree automatically entitles individuals to a well-paying job, emphasizing that education does not equate to guaranteed financial security. The conversation also questions the effectiveness of the current educational system, particularly regarding the existence of non-accredited institutions and the responsibilities of both students and schools in making informed choices. Ultimately, the dialogue reflects a growing concern about the true value of higher education in relation to its cost and the job market.
  • #31
twofish-quant said:
they are actually supposed to teach you not to do stuff even when it's not in your interest to do it.

wait... what?
 
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  • #32
Medwell said:
The purpose of going to University is not, and never has been, "to get a job". It is "to learn". You choose a subject you like, and have the opportunity to spend a couple years studying it.

Yes, but historically the places of higher education were restricted, more or less, to the wealthier members of society. There was no real need to consider whether eduction would make one employable.

Now that the working and middle classes have entered the academic world, the question of whether or not one's eduction will be needed in the "working world" is of obvious importance.
 
  • #33
Andy Resnick said:
wait... what?

I meant their interest.

The problem is that you can't have it both ways. If you want an institution to be a center of "higher learning" then I think that would involve the university having some responsibility for informing the student what will work and what won't and for keeping students from debt even when that debt is in the universities interest.

If it's a purely commercial transaction that's different, but in that case universities shouldn't expect to be taken more seriously on social affairs than used car salesmen.
 
  • #34
twofish-quant said:
If it's a purely commercial transaction that's different, but in that case universities shouldn't expect to be taken more seriously on social affairs than used car salesmen.

For the most part, they aren't. To wit: "Ivory tower".
 
  • #35
Pengwuino said:
Wait wait, this is ridiculous. So if a country can't produce an Einstein, they are a failure? There has only ever been 1 Einstein, so good luck with that argument making any headway.

Secondly, you'll be hardpressed to find people who DONT think top US universities are over-priced and sometimes overrated.

I apologize. The claim is ridiculous. What I was trying to say was that the US and some European countries achieve similar education levels but those European countries achieve those levels at a lower cost.

In the past, I believed that people going to high-ranked universities were the best society had to offer. Today, I think people that attend those places are mostly trained themselves to attend those places in order to make a self-fulfilling prophecy true.

What worries me most is the perception that if you DO NOT attend these high-ranked universities then you must not be that "bright." This is a problem.
 

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