University prestige: how much of a factor?

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The discussion centers on the value of departmental versus institutional prestige for physics PhD graduates in relation to job prospects. It highlights that while research positions and academic faculty roles often prioritize departmental prestige, many non-research jobs, such as in finance and IT, may place greater emphasis on the overall reputation of the institution. Participants express differing views on how hiring practices vary across industries, with some asserting that employers focus more on candidates' skills and experiences rather than their alma mater. Others argue that a prestigious degree can facilitate entry into competitive job markets, particularly in finance, where specific elite institutions are favored. The conversation also touches on the challenges of academia, including job market competitiveness and salary concerns, and the perception of prestige among hiring committees. Overall, the thread reveals a complex interplay between departmental and institutional prestige, influenced by the specific career paths pursued by physics PhD holders.
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gravenewworld said:
For winning grants it seems to matter a good bit. This is from experience in grant writing. Every see a summary sheet? They give you scores on institution/facilities/environment.

In my experience that has more to do with an assessment of the facilities available for the specific project than the name of the school though. Do the applicants have the facilities available that they claim to. Who wants to grant a million dollars to a group that wants to go out a buy a used linear accelerator, but has no (safe) place to put it?

On the other hand, I suppose an argument could be made that the facilities available for research is one dimension of the overall metric used in university rankings.
 
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Choppy said:
Oops - Vanadium beat me to it.



In my experience that has more to do with an assessment of the facilities available for the specific project than the name of the school though. Do the applicants have the facilities available that they claim to. Who wants to grant a million dollars to a group that wants to go out a buy a used linear accelerator, but has no (safe) place to put it?

On the other hand, I suppose an argument could be made that the facilities available for research is one dimension of the overall metric used in university rankings.
And its probably different for physics than biomedical research. Not every university is ranked in the top 5 in the world for medicine and there's a reason why the place I'm at is the #1 funded instution by the NIH for 20 years running and has been the #1 school for total research spending for over 30 years. Where does this money come from? If institution name never mattered then how has one place had a strangmehold on so much money for so long? The spending on physical science pales in comaprison to biomedical research, biology , and medicine.
 
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gravenewworld said:
And its probably different for physics than biomedical research. Not every university is ranked in the top 5 in the world for medicine and there's a reason why the place I'm at is the #1 funded instution by the NIH for 20 years running and has been the #1 school for total research spending for over 30 years. Where does this money come from? If institution name never mattered then how has one place had a strangmehold on so much money for so long? The spending on physical science pales in comaprison to biomedical research, biology , and medicine.

A lot of donation money goes to elite school because among billionaire's getting your name on a cancer research building at MIT has more bragging power than at a state school.
 

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