University prestige: how much of a factor?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of university prestige on career opportunities for physics PhD graduates. Participants explore the relevance of both departmental and institutional prestige in various career paths, including academia and industry sectors such as finance and IT.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that for academic positions, departmental prestige is more critical, as it indicates collaboration with top researchers and access to a relevant community.
  • Others suggest that institutional prestige may hold more weight in non-academic careers, such as banking and IT, where the name of the school can influence hiring decisions.
  • A participant notes that while some physics PhD holders transition to non-research jobs, the importance of departmental versus institutional prestige may vary by field.
  • Concerns are raised about how prestige is perceived, with one participant questioning the relative standing of institutions like Dartmouth compared to larger universities like Penn State and Ohio State.
  • Some participants emphasize that hiring practices in industry focus more on skills and experience rather than the prestige of the institution attended.
  • There is mention of the significance of institutional prestige in grant writing and securing funding, suggesting it may matter in academic contexts.
  • A participant reflects on their personal experience, indicating that while institutional prestige might have been beneficial early in their career, it has become less relevant over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of institutional versus departmental prestige, with no consensus reached on which is more significant across various career paths. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the weight of prestige in hiring practices.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the variability in perceptions of prestige and its impact depending on specific job markets and individual experiences. There are also references to the challenges of transitioning from academia to industry, with differing opinions on how much prestige influences hiring decisions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for current or prospective physics PhD students considering their career paths, as well as those interested in the role of educational prestige in hiring practices across different sectors.

  • #31
Oops - Vanadium beat me to it.

gravenewworld said:
For winning grants it seems to matter a good bit. This is from experience in grant writing. Every see a summary sheet? They give you scores on institution/facilities/environment.

In my experience that has more to do with an assessment of the facilities available for the specific project than the name of the school though. Do the applicants have the facilities available that they claim to. Who wants to grant a million dollars to a group that wants to go out a buy a used linear accelerator, but has no (safe) place to put it?

On the other hand, I suppose an argument could be made that the facilities available for research is one dimension of the overall metric used in university rankings.
 
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  • #32
Choppy said:
Oops - Vanadium beat me to it.



In my experience that has more to do with an assessment of the facilities available for the specific project than the name of the school though. Do the applicants have the facilities available that they claim to. Who wants to grant a million dollars to a group that wants to go out a buy a used linear accelerator, but has no (safe) place to put it?

On the other hand, I suppose an argument could be made that the facilities available for research is one dimension of the overall metric used in university rankings.
And its probably different for physics than biomedical research. Not every university is ranked in the top 5 in the world for medicine and there's a reason why the place I'm at is the #1 funded instution by the NIH for 20 years running and has been the #1 school for total research spending for over 30 years. Where does this money come from? If institution name never mattered then how has one place had a strangmehold on so much money for so long? The spending on physical science pales in comaprison to biomedical research, biology , and medicine.
 
  • #33
gravenewworld said:
And its probably different for physics than biomedical research. Not every university is ranked in the top 5 in the world for medicine and there's a reason why the place I'm at is the #1 funded instution by the NIH for 20 years running and has been the #1 school for total research spending for over 30 years. Where does this money come from? If institution name never mattered then how has one place had a strangmehold on so much money for so long? The spending on physical science pales in comaprison to biomedical research, biology , and medicine.

A lot of donation money goes to elite school because among billionaire's getting your name on a cancer research building at MIT has more bragging power than at a state school.
 

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