The Physics of Frictionless Blocks

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The problem involves three blocks of different masses (2kg, 4kg, and 6kg) positioned on a frictionless table, with a force of 60N applied to the 2kg block. The original poster is trying to determine the forces exerted between the blocks, particularly the force the 4kg block exerts on the 6kg block and the force it exerts on the 2kg block.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's laws but expresses confusion about the implications of a frictionless environment on the forces between the blocks. They question how the forces relate given that there is no friction and whether the system is in equilibrium.
  • Some participants suggest using free body diagrams to visualize the forces acting on each block, noting the presence of action-reaction pairs as per Newton's third law.
  • There is a discussion about how to sum forces in different directions and the relationship between gravitational force and the applied force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of free body diagrams and the separation of forces in different directions, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin solving the problem and mentions feeling lost, indicating a need for clarification on the relationships between the forces involved.

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Homework Statement



Blocks with masses of 2kg , 4kg , and 6kg are lined up in a row on a frictionless table. All three are pushed forward by a 60 force applied to the 2 block.

how much force does the 4kg block exert on the 6kg block?

how much force does the 4kg block exert on the 2kg block?

Homework Equations



Newtons Laws. and sum of forces.

The Attempt at a Solution



now i understand Newtons laws of action and reaction. so I am assuming the amount of force acting on the 2kg block from the 4kg block is the same as the 4kg block from the 2kg block.
(wouldnt this mean the system is in equilibrium though?)

anyway, I am confused by how to approach this problem. there is no friction, so wouldn't any force at all cause these blocks to start moving?

if there is no friction, why would the force exerted on the 4kg block from the 2kg block be any different than the force exerted directly onto the 2kg block (60.0N)...wouldnt any force cause the system to accelerate since there is no friction to overcome...

i understand conceptually that m(g) is the force of gravity acting on the block in N. but how would that translate into the loss of force between the blocks of different mass...?im rambling mostly because I am lost with this, how should i begin to approach this problem?

any help at all is greatly appreciated.
 
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Try drawing a free body diagram of each block, and marking all forces on each block.
 


1MileCrash said:
Try drawing a free body diagram of each block, and marking all forces on each block.

okay, so i see that for the 2kg block and the 4kg block there is a 3rd law pair. (F of 4 acting on 2) so this will become an internal force

also there is the force from 6kg to 4kg and a force from the 4kg on the 6kg. this is also a 3rd law pair. so i will make it an internal force...

i now have the normal force, and FG for each block, as well as the pushing force (60.0N) on my 2kg block.

would i start by summing the forces in the X direction...if i did that though i would have only 1 force, (force of the push) assuming 3rd law pairs cancel each other out of the problem...im guessing i must find a way to make the FG have an effect on the pushing force. but one is in the y direction. and the other is in the x. so how would i make these affect each other...
 


EricSomin said:
im guessing i must find a way to make the FG have an effect on the pushing force. but one is in the y direction. and the other is in the x. so how would i make these affect each other...
Treat the x and y directions separately. You can safely assume that there's no acceleration in the y direction.
 

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