Unraveling the Mystery of Abelian Groups When ##|G| = p^2##

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The discussion revolves around the properties of groups where the order is a prime squared, specifically focusing on the implications of the normalizer and center of the group. The original poster attempts to understand why a certain element must belong to the center of the group given the conditions of the normalizer.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the normalizer of an element and its implications for the structure of the group. Questions arise regarding the definitions and properties of the normalizer and center, as well as the reasoning behind certain conclusions related to group order and subgroup properties.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying definitions and exploring the implications of their reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the normalizer and the center of the group, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the final conclusions.

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Participants are working within the constraints of group theory, specifically focusing on groups of order p² and the properties that arise from this structure. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of subgroup orders and their relationships to the overall group.

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Homework Statement



If ##|G| = p^2## where ##p## is a prime, then ##G## is abelian. 2. The attempt at a solution

The book my proof gives is confusing at the very last part.

Suppose ##|Z(G)| = p##. Let ##a\in G##, ##a\notin Z(G)##. Thus ##|N(a)| > p##, yet by Lagrange ##|N(a)| \ | \ |G| = p^2##.

Why is ##|N(a)| \ | \ |G| = p^2##? Since ##|G| = p^2## and ##|N(a)|> p ## how does that make ##|N(a)| \ | \ |G| = p^2##?
 
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Lee33 said:

Homework Statement



If ##|G| = p^2## where ##p## is a prime, then ##G## is abelian.


2. The attempt at a solution

The book my proof gives is confusing at the very last part.

Suppose ##|Z(G)| = p##. Let ##a\in G##, ##a\notin Z(G)##. Thus ##|N(a)| > p##, yet by Lagrange ##|N(a)| \ | \ |G| = p^2##.

Why is ##|N(a)| \ | \ |G| = p^2##? Since ##|G| = p^2## and ##|N(a)|> p ## how does that make ##|N(a)| \ | \ |G| = p^2##?

You are reading it wrong. |N(a)| | |G| just means that the number |N(a)| divides the number |G|. It doesn't have a numerical value. They are just saying |N(a)|>p and yet |N(a)| must divide |G|=p^2. So?
 
So, since ##|N(a)|>p## and ##|N(a)|## must divide ##|G|## then ##|N(a)| = p^2##?
 
Lee33 said:
So, since ##|N(a)|>p## and ##|N(a)|## must divide ##|G|## then ##|N(a)| = p^2##?

Yes!
 
Thanks! Last question, since ##|N(a)| = p^2## why would this imply ##a\in Z(G)##?
 
Lee33 said:
Thanks! Last question, since ##|N(a)| = p^2## why would this imply ##a\in Z(G)##?

N(a) is the normalizer subgroup of a. If N(a)=p^2 then N(a)=G, right? You tell me why that should mean ##a\in Z(G)##.
 
Since N(a) = G then N(a) generates the group G thus ##a\in Z(G)##?
 
Lee33 said:
Since N(a) = G then N(a) generates the group G thus ##a\in Z(G)##?

I don't think that really means anything. What does N(a) mean?
 
It is the normalizer, so ##N(a) = \{ x \in G \ | \ xa = ax\}.##
 
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Lee33 said:
It is the normalizer, so ##N(a) = \{ x \in G \ | \ xa = ax\}.##

So in words, N(a) is the set of all elements of G that commute with a. Now what does ##a\in Z(G)## mean in words describing what a commutes with?
 
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The center of the group G is the set of elements that commute with every element of G. Where N(a) is the set of all elements of G that commute with a. So is it because then that will make G abelian hence G = Z(G) hence a in Z(G)?
 
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Lee33 said:
The center of the group G is the set of elements that commute with every element of G. Where N(a) is the set of all elements of G that commute with a. So is it because then that will make G abelian hence G = Z(G) hence a in Z(G)?

It is going to be shown abelian eventually, but you aren't there yet, so you can't use 'abelian' to prove a is in Z(G). First just tell me why a is in Z(G). Think about the words and use that N(a)=G (why do we know that?).
 
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Since N(a) = G then all elements of G commute with a thus why ##a \in Z(G)?##
 
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Lee33 said:
Since N(a) = G then all elements of G commute with a thus why ##a \in Z(G)?##

I'd feel more confident you understood that if you wouldn't end all of your comments in a '?'. If you remind me how we know N(a)=G that might restore my confidence. No '?', ok?
 
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Lol I understand. We got ##N(a) = G## since we establish that since ##|N(a)|>p## and ##|N(a)|## must divide ##|G|## then ##|N(a)| = p^2## since ##p^2 = |G|## then ##|N(a)| = |G|##.
 
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Lee33 said:
Lol I understand. We got ##N(a) = G## since we establish that since ##|N(a)|>p## and ##|N(a)|## must divide ##|G|## then ##|N(a)| = p^2## since ##p^2 = |G|## then ##|N(a)| = |G|##.

Right! N(a) is a subgroup of G having p^2 elements. But G has only p^2 elements. So |N(a)|=|G| means N(a) must equal G, which should be your final conclusion. Thinking about these things in words and using less symbols often helps.
 
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Yes, it does! Thank you very much!
 

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