Unravelling the Mystery of Negative Multiplication

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of multiplying negative numbers, specifically why the product of two negative numbers results in a positive number. Participants explore the underlying reasoning and definitions related to negative multiplication, including intuitive understandings and formal definitions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the intuition behind the product of two negative numbers being positive, using the example of -3 x -3 = 9.
  • Another participant proposes a relationship involving the equation (-1)(-1) = -(-1)·1 and asks about the concept of the opposite of the opposite.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of a negative sign and whether it is inherently understood as taking the opposite of zero.
  • A participant defines -1 as the solution to the equation x + 1 = 0, suggesting a formal basis for understanding negatives.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the concept of negative numbers as additive inverses, explaining that for any number a, -a is defined such that a + -a = 0.
  • One participant presents a series of equations to illustrate the relationship between negative multiplication and the additive inverse, leading to the conclusion that -a * -b = a * b.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and intuition regarding negative multiplication, with some agreeing on definitions while others question the foundational concepts. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference definitions and properties of negative numbers, but there are unresolved assumptions about the intuitive grasp of these concepts and the implications of the definitions provided.

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I wondered why it is that when you multiply a negative with a negative, you get a positive?

in example; why is it that -3 x -3 = 9?

when you do -3 x 3, the answer is intuitively -9, because you just go three times as negative. But when I multiply two minus signs, I don't have this intuition it should be positive, except for the fact that it's the only thing left.
 
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Do you agree that [itex](-1)(-1)=-(-1)\cdot 1[/itex] ? Then what is the opose of the opose of 1 ?
 
but then, how do you know that a minus sign means taking the opposite side 0? is it defined that way?
 
Yes, -1 is/can be defined as the single solution to the equation x+1=0.
 
thanks =)
 
jacobrhcp said:
but then, how do you know that a minus sign means taking the opposite side 0? is it defined that way?

Negative means “additive inverse”.

For any given a we define –a to be the number such that a + –a = 0

In addition by convention we normally drop the “+” symbol and call it subtraction. But all subtraction is, is adding by the “additive inverse” of what ever number you are subtracting. But that doesn’t tell us anything about two negatives multiplying, consider the following:

1 + (-1) = 0 additive inverse
-1(1 + (-1)) = -1*0 multiplying both sides by 0
-1(1 + (-1)) = 0 anything times 0, is 0
(-1)1 + (-1)(-1) = 0 distribution
(-1)(-1) = 1 uniqueness of additive inverse

now consider

-a*-b = (-1)a*(-1)b = (-1)(-1)a*b=(1)a*b=a*b
 
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