Upper-Div ODEs for Physics Majors: A Comprehensive Overview

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the necessity and relevance of advanced differential equations (DEs) for physics majors, particularly in relation to an upper-division ODEs course. Participants explore the content of the course, including topics like Laplace transforms, Fourier series, Green's functions, and Sturm-Liouville theory, and debate their applicability to upper-level physics studies.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of advanced topics like Green's functions and Sturm-Liouville theory for physics, suggesting a preference for pure math classes instead.
  • Another participant counters that Sturm-Liouville theory is crucial due to its connection with eigenfunctions, and that Green's functions are essential for solving physics problems, similar to their role in electrical engineering.
  • It is suggested that any course in applied DEs will be beneficial for advanced physics courses, with specific mention of their use in electromagnetism (E&M), quantum mechanics (QM), and many-body theory.
  • A participant emphasizes that the content of the upper-level DE class will be applicable in various physics fields, asserting that understanding DEs is fundamental to the study of physics.
  • One participant recommends consulting the professor teaching the course for tailored advice, indicating that personal circumstances may influence the decision to enroll.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of certain advanced DE topics for physics. While some argue that these topics are essential for understanding physics, others question their relevance, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have varying backgrounds and experiences with differential equations, which may influence their perspectives on the course's relevance. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the applicability of mathematical concepts to physics.

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how much DEs do physics majors need to know to handle upper-div physics? I'm thinking of taking this upper-div ODEs class:
"Laplace transforms, existence and uniqueness theorems, Fourier series, separation of variable solutions to partial differential equations, Sturm-Liouville theory, calculus of variations, two point boundary value problems, Green's functions. "

but I already covered laplace transforms, Fourier series, and covered very slightly separation of variables in my lower-div DEs class. I just transferred to this school, so I heard this stuff is new for most people (it is trimester, my DEs class was semester system) Would this class be a waste of time for me? So the rest of the stuff like green's functions, sturm-liouville theory, etc are unnecessary for physics, right?

I would rather take a pure math class than this, unless this class proves tremendously helpful for my physics classes.
 
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So the rest of the stuff like green's functions, sturm-liouville theory, etc are unnecessary for physics, right?
Sorry, not at all true. Sturm-Liouville theory is intimately connected with eigenfunctions. Green's functions are analogous to the impulse response of electrical engineering, and are just as crucial to physics problems as impulse responses are to EE problems. One course in ODE and one in PDE is standard for upper level physics.

Can't advise you as to taking ODE from math vs physics departments. In theory both should prepare you well.
 
Any course in applied DE's (applied means not theorem-proof/existence and uniquess etc...) will be helpful in advanced physics courses. You'll use green's functions in E&M, QM & many-body theory as a short list. The more exposure you have the better.
 
you should take that upper level DE class because all you will learn in that class will eventually apply in physics. After all, a system of DEs (ODE, PDE, SDE) are what is behind physics. E&M, classical mechanic, quantum mechanic, etc are merely study of PDEs. Existence and uniqueness proof of linear ODE is very instructive in a sense that one can actually use it to generate a numerical method to compute the solution (not efficient).
 
proton, why not ask the professor who will be teaching the course you are asking about? (If you don't know who that is, ask in our Math Department office.) It's likely that this will result in accurate information tailored to your situation, rather than the kind of general comment which we can offer here.
 

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