Upthrust in Liquid: Can Objects Keep Sinking?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of upthrust (buoyancy) in fluids, particularly focusing on whether an object can continue to sink in water until it reaches a certain depth where the upthrust equals its weight. Participants explore the implications of fluid density changes with depth and the behavior of objects like submarines and divers in water.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if an object can keep sinking until a depth where upthrust equals its weight, suggesting that upthrust might increase with depth.
  • Another participant argues that water is not very compressible, implying that the buoyant force on a fixed-size object does not significantly change with depth.
  • Some participants note that if the fluid density increases with depth, this could lead to an increase in upthrust.
  • A participant discusses how submarines, being more compressible than water, experience reduced buoyancy as they sink deeper, leading to faster sinking without a stable depth.
  • Another participant relates this to divers, explaining how buoyancy control is managed through weight and air in vests, highlighting the dangers of improper buoyancy management.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how buoyancy and upthrust behave with depth, particularly regarding the compressibility of objects and the density of the fluid. There is no consensus on whether objects can reach a stable depth based on upthrust and weight balance.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about fluid density changes with depth and the compressibility of different objects, which may affect buoyancy but remain unresolved in terms of specific conditions or scenarios.

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I have a question about upthrust. I have studied that if an object is placed in a fluid and if the upthrust is not equal to the weight of the object even after the object is fully immersed in the fluid, it sinks. My question is that is it possible for an object immersed in water to keep sinking until it reaches a particular level or depth underwater i.e when upthrust equalizes the weight of the object.I think upthrust increases with depth so a point should come when the object should stop sinking. Can someone please help me out here.
 
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Water is not very compressible and so the buoyant force on an object of fixed size does not change much with depth. On the contrary, if an object is more compressible than water - it will displace less water at larger pressures and the buoyant force will decrease with depth.
 
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If the density of the fluid inreases with depth.
 
A.T. said:
If the density of the fluid inreases with depth.
So what you are tryin to say is that upthrust doesn't change as the object sinks deeper. only an increase in density of the fluid as the object sinks can result in an increase in upthrust
 
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So what you are tryin to say is that upthrust doesn't change as the object sinks deeper. only an increase in density of the fluid as the object sinks can result in an increase in upthrust
Yes.
 
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Thanks a lot☺
 
Upthrust = buoyancy. A submarine is more compressible than water. As hydrostatic pressure increases with depth the submarine reduces volume faster than does an equal mass of water. As a submarine goes deeper the buoyancy reduces and so it sinks faster. There is no stable depth, only the sea floor.

The density of water changes with temperature and salinity. If there is a stable layer of more dense water below, then a submarine can remain sitting at that particular depth without a need to continuously adjust bouyancy.
 
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Baluncore said:
A submarine is more compressible than water. As hydrostatic pressure increases with depth the submarine reduces volume faster than does an equal mass of water. As a submarine goes deeper the buoyancy reduces and so it sinks faster. There is no stable depth, only the sea floor.
This is also true for a diver who is using to much weights. Buoyancy is usually controlled by letting air into and out of a vest you are wearing. If you wear the correct amount of weights, you should have neutral buoyancy with an empty vest and your lungs half full - letting you control you floatability with your breath. If you need to fill the vest to maintain neutral buoyancy the air in it will compress and expand as you go down/up - resulting in an unstable system that can be quite dangerous to the diver (ascending too fast is not healthy).

A diver with too little weight will always need to apply a swimming force to stay submerged.
 

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