Using a nuclear warhead to expose large amount of limestone

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical use of a nuclear warhead to expose large amounts of limestone to the atmosphere, with the aim of exploring its potential impact on global warming through chemical reactions involving carbon dioxide. Participants examine the feasibility, implications, and scientific validity of this idea, touching on geological, chemical, and environmental aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a documentary suggesting that the collision of India with Asia uncovered limestone that reacted with CO2, potentially causing an ice age.
  • One participant questions the validity of the documentary's claims about limestone and its role in ice ages, suggesting that a nuclear warhead might hinder limestone's chemical reactions rather than facilitate them.
  • Another participant argues that the concept of using nuclear weapons is flawed, as the resulting nuclear winter would negate any benefits from exposing limestone.
  • Some participants note that while carbonation of limestone is a known process, it occurs too slowly to be relevant for immediate climate change mitigation.
  • Concerns are raised about the radionuclides produced by nuclear explosions potentially causing more harm than the benefits of CO2 removal.
  • Experiments involving the use of finely dispersed CaCO3 for CO2 removal are mentioned as an alternative approach.
  • There is a debate about the ability of limestone to absorb CO2, with conflicting claims about its chemical interactions and the role of freshwater versus air exposure.
  • Some participants discuss the biological processes involved in converting bicarbonate back to limestone, highlighting limitations related to trace elements in seawater.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility or effectiveness of using nuclear weapons to expose limestone for climate change mitigation. Disagreements exist regarding the chemical properties of limestone, the validity of the documentary's claims, and the implications of nuclear exposure.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions and limitations in the discussion, including the slow rate of limestone carbonation, the potential negative effects of radionuclides, and the dependency of biological processes on trace elements in seawater.

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I saw this national geographical documentary at some point, and it said that when India collided with Asia hundreds of millions of years ago, it formed the Himalayas which ended up uncovering huge amounts of limestone. That limestone in turn reacted with CO2 in the atmosphere and caused an ice age.

Could you similarly use a nuclear weapon under a large limestone deposit to cause that limestone to be exposed to the air in significant quantities? Would that put a dent in global warming or is this just a ridiculous idea from a chemistry/physics perspective? thanks.
 
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I've never heard that about limestone reacting and causing an ice age, but under the assumption that theory is true, a nuclear warhead would likely have some fundamental chemical effect on the limestone that may hinder its ability to even react with the atmosphere.
arusse02 said:
a ridiculous idea from a chemistry/physics perspective
Also a ridiculous idea from a legal perspective... imagine trying to get that passed by the UN :wideeyed:
 
Exploding enough nukes will effect in a nuclear winter, no need for the limestone.
 
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arusse02 said:
Could you similarly use a nuclear weapon under a large limestone deposit to cause that limestone to be exposed to the air in significant quantities?

Carbonation of limestone (according to CaCO3 + CO2 + H2O → Ca(HCO3)2) is indeed a known factor for ice ages and in the long term it will counter the current global warming because huge amounts of rock will be exposed to the air (e.g. by melting glaciers). However,

1. this process is way to slow to be relevant for mankind and
2. you would need a rediculous number of nuclear warheads for a significant effect and that's where Borek's reply comes into play.
 
Even if a nuclear bomb would expose a few fresh km² of limestone and there's no nuclear winter because we'd only be nuking a few mountains - I think the radionucleides that are created in the process would become a problem long before a significant amount of CO2 is removed from the atmosphere.
 
Just wanted to mention that there are indeed experiments to remove CO2 using tanks of finely dispersed CaCO3.
 
arusse02 said:
I saw this national geographical documentary at some point, and it said that when India collided with Asia hundreds of millions of years ago, it formed the Himalayas which ended up uncovering huge amounts of limestone. That limestone in turn reacted with CO2 in the atmosphere and caused an ice age.

Could you similarly use a nuclear weapon under a large limestone deposit to cause that limestone to be exposed to the air in significant quantities? Would that put a dent in global warming or is this just a ridiculous idea from a chemistry/physics perspective? thanks.
The "documentary" you seen is likely very unreliable. Several facts are messed up.
1) Limestone (calcium carbonate) mineral do not have capacity to absorb carbon dioxide. Other minerals contained in limestone rock can absorb (react with) carbon dioxide
2) "Exposed" does mean "exposed to freshwater" rather than "exposed to air". When limestone dissolve in freshwater leaving karsts, it indeed allows air and water access to the silicate minerals (feldspar at most) which ultimately break down to quartz, clay and carbonates, consuming carbon dioxide in the process.

Back to original question, nuclear bombs would be very weak tool to absorb carbon dioxide. Simply pouring water on ground is much more productive.
 
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Thats not quite true. Limestone can absorb carbon dioxide by the reaction
##\mathrm{ CaCO_3 + H_2O + CO_2 \rightleftharpoons Ca (HCO_3)_2}##.
Calcium hydrogen carbonate is soluble and will finally end up in sea water.
 
DrDu said:
Thats not quite true. Limestone can absorb carbon dioxide by the reaction
##\mathrm{ CaCO_3 + H_2O + CO_2 \rightleftharpoons Ca (HCO_3)_2}##.
Calcium hydrogen carbonate is soluble and will finally end up in sea water.
Where marine life quickly (on timescale of years) convert it (Ca (HCO3)2) back to limestone.
 
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That's an interesting point. But as far as I understand it,
the autotrophic organisms involved convert bicarbonate into limestone and organic material, not carbon dioxide, which makes a difference.
Furthermore, this process is limited not by the offer of hydrogencarbonate but by trace elements like iron in sea water.
 
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DrDu said:
That's an interesting point. But as far as I understand it,
the autotrophic organisms involved convert bicarbonate into limestone and organic material, not carbon dioxide, which makes a difference.
Furthermore, this process is limited not by the offer of hydrogencarbonate but by trace elements like iron in sea water.
For autotrophic fixation, true although to very small degree. Most of carbon fixed by diatoms and such in photic zone is soon released - predation chains are effective for planctonic life.
Also, would marine (shell) life be really limited by microelements in shell-building, we would have inorganic calcite crusts common on seabed, which is not true for modern seas.
 

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