Using Argument and DeMoivre's theory

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The discussion revolves around the application of DeMoivre's theorem and the argument function in complex numbers, specifically focusing on problems involving roots of complex numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how to find the argument of a complex number when given a specific form of DeMoivre's theorem. They express confusion about the argument function, particularly when dealing with real numbers and the absence of an imaginary component.
  • Some participants clarify the concept of the argument in relation to complex numbers and provide insights into how to determine it based on the position in the complex plane.
  • Another participant shares their progress on a related problem but expresses uncertainty about their calculations and the argument of a specific complex number.
  • Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of arguments and how they relate to the solutions being sought.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of arguments and DeMoivre's theorem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the determination of arguments for specific complex numbers, and there is a recognition of the challenges faced by the original poster. Progress is noted, but there is still some confusion regarding the application of these concepts in different contexts.

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The original poster mentions a lack of familiarity with the argument function and expresses concern about their understanding of the material. There are references to specific homework problems that may impose constraints on the discussion.

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Hello everyone,
I'm having a bit of trouble with using the argument function with DeMoivres formula. I have the question:
z8= 16
and am meant to find the solution using DeMoivre's formula (zn=rn(cosn(Θ) +isinn(Θ)) ). The problem is, I have no idea what an argument function is or how to find it. I've read around a bit and found that root(a2+b2)= r and that tan-1(b/a) =arg

but as you can see, I only have a (16) so that b=0, so is the argument then, tan-1(0)? I have several problems and they all have a but no b. However, in the answer section, they all have arguments. What the heck am I doing wrong?

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I can do this one:
z3=-1 as it has no argument (though I don't know why), and is just a matter of plugging in numbers.
z3=-1
z3=1(cos(Θ)+isin(Θ)
z=3√(1)(cos(Θ)+isin(Θ))1/3
z=1(cos(2kπ)+isin(2kπ)1/3
z=1(cos(2kπ/3)+isin(2kπ/3)

and then, since it has no argument, k can equal 0, +/-1, +/-2, +/-3 etc..., you plug in the k and solve.

The Attempt at a Solution



I haven't gotten very far with this one

z8=16
z8= 168(cos8(Θ)+isin8(Θ)) or if I do it the other way
z=8√(16)(cos(2kπ)+isin(2kπ))1/8
z=8√(16)(cos(2kπ/8)+isin(2kπ/8))

and I can't insert anything for k, because I don't know the argument. I know I sound like a real novice at math (I am), but I hope someone can help me! Thank you so much in advance!
 
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Imagine plotting a complex number z = x + i y in the complex plane, with the x coordinate the real part and the y coordinate the imaginary part. The argument is then the angle made between the real axis and a line drawn between the origin and the point z. Any positive real number has an argument of zero, and any negative real number has an argument of \pi. A positive imaginary number has an argument of \pi/2. So, don't say that 1 has "no argument", say that it has an argument of zero.
 
Hey, thanks so much for your reply!

Using what you told me, I've managed to get to the next question, but I get stuck here. I'm not sure what I am doing wrong. Here's where I am so far:

z6=1+i
z=r1/6(cosΘ+isinΘ)1/6
z=6√2(cos(Θ/6)+isin(Θ/6))
z=6√2(cos(π/12)+isin(π/12))

and so

zk=6√2 ei(π+2πk/12)

The answer I need to get is:

zk=21/12ei(π+8πk/24)

I don't understand at all what happened. Am I still doing the argument incorrectly? Thanks in advance!
 
I think you're still doing the argument incorrectly. It looks like you have the right answer for the magnitude, since the sixth root of sqrt(2) = 21/12. But what is the argument of 1+i? You should get tan-1(1/1) = tan-1(1) = \pi/4
 
I finally got it! Thanks so much!
 

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