Using Comparison Theorem to solve a problem

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The discussion revolves around the use of the Comparison Theorem to evaluate the convergence or divergence of the integral of the function 1/(x*sin(x)) from 0 to π/2. Participants are exploring the implications of comparing this function to others, particularly near the point of interest, x = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the validity of comparing the function to 1/x and 1/sin(x) due to their undefined nature at 0. There is discussion on the need for a function that converges and is larger than the original function to prove convergence, or a smaller function that diverges to prove divergence. Some participants are considering the behavior of sin(x) near zero and its implications for comparison.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with participants seeking clarification on the application of the Comparison Theorem. There are multiple interpretations of how to approach the comparison, particularly regarding the behavior of the functions near zero and the implications of their convergence properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the functions involved, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of comparing functions that are undefined at certain points, and there is an emphasis on understanding the behavior of these functions as they approach those points. The discussion reflects a mix of uncertainty and exploration of mathematical reasoning related to the Comparison Theorem.

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Homework Statement



Use the Comparison Theorem to evaluate whether Integral(dx/(x*sinx)) on 0->pi/2 converges or diverges.

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I don't understand what to do about 0. Am I allowed to compare it to 1/x even though 1/x is undefined at 0? Like-wise am I allowed to compare it to 1/sinx even though 1/sinx is undefined at 0?

A related question I had was how do I use comparison theorem for trig functions? Since they are periodic can you not use it?

Thanks.
 
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You can compare it to either.
x~sin(x)
I would write x sin(x)=x^2 [sin(x)/x] and compare it to x^2.
 
I still don't quite understand. So I need a function that converges that is bigger than the original function in order to prove the original function converges or a function smaller than the original function that diverges to prove that the original function diverges. Is that correct? So is 1/x^2 bigger or smaller than 1/xsin(x) on 0->pi/2 -- how do I figure out which function is bigger on my own? Do I just take random values and check? Also it is alright to compare to 1/x^2 even though 1/x^2 is undefined at 0?
 
The actual value at zero (or some other point in other problems) does not matter, it is the behavior near the point. The function is clearly large near zero, but wha matter is how fast it is growing. We know since sin'(0)=1 that sin(x) acts like x for small x. In particular for example x cos(x)<sin(x)<x. So we can also say 1/x^2<1/(x sin(x)) and thus the integral of 1/(x sin(x)) can converge only if the integral of 1/x^2 does. So does the integral of 1/x^2 converge?
 
"the integral of 1/(x sin(x)) can converge only if the integral of 1/x^2 does. So does the integral of 1/x^2 converge? "

Since 1/x^2 is smaller than 1/xsinx, if you compare the two functions all you can say is that 1/xsinx diverges if 1/x^2 diverges, right? You can't say anything about convergence since you would need to compare 1/xsinx to a bigger function. But since 1/x^2 converges you still don't know anything about 1/xsinx. So shouldn't I compare 1/xsinx to something else? Sorry, I still don't quite understand.
 
calculus_guy4 said:
"the integral of 1/(x sin(x)) can converge only if the integral of 1/x^2 does. So does the integral of 1/x^2 converge? "

Since 1/x^2 is smaller than 1/xsinx, if you compare the two functions all you can say is that 1/xsinx diverges if 1/x^2 diverges, right?

Yes. And does the integral of 1/x2 diverge?
 

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