Using Faraday's Law to calculate the magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around applying Faraday's Law to calculate the magnetic field associated with a given electric field. The electric field is expressed as E = E0 cos(k⋅r - ωt + φ), where k is orthogonal to E0, and the goal is to show the relationship between the electric and magnetic fields as described by Faraday's Law.

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  • The original poster attempts to work backwards from the magnetic field equation but encounters difficulties in taking the curl of the electric field due to the dot product of k and r. They express uncertainty about how to proceed with the curl operation.
  • Another participant suggests using a vector calculus identity to simplify the process, noting that the electric field is a vector while the cosine term is a scalar.
  • There is a mention of the importance of using LaTeX for clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with one providing a vector calculus identity that aids in the original poster's understanding. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify mathematical concepts without reaching a final conclusion.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector calculus and the implications of constants in the context of Faraday's Law. There is an emphasis on proper mathematical notation and clarity in communication.

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Homework Statement
Consider an electric field E = E0 cos(k⋅r - ωt +φ), where k is orthogonal to E0, r is a position vector, and φ is a constant phase. Show that B = (k X E0)/ω * cos(k⋅r - ωt +φ) according to Faraday's Law.
Relevant Equations
Faraday's Law: ∇ X E = -∂B/∂t
I got stuck near the beginning, so I tried working backwards. Starting from

B = (k X E0)/ω * cos(k⋅r - ωt +φ)

I found

-∂B/∂t = -k X E0 sin(k⋅r - ωt +φ)

So now I need to find ∇ X (E0 cos(k⋅r - ωt +φ)) and see that it is equal to the above result. This is where I'm stuck though, I'm not sure how to take the curl of this electric field because of that dot product of k and r, leaving the field as a scalar (as far as I can tell). Help is much appreciated!
 
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Blanchdog said:
Homework Statement:: Consider an electric field E = E0 cos(k⋅r - ωt +φ), where k is orthogonal to E0, r is a position vector, and φ is a constant phase. Show that B = (k X E0)/ω * cos(k⋅r - ωt +φ) according to Faraday's Law.
Relevant Equations:: Faraday's Law: ∇ X E = -∂B/∂t

I'm not sure how to take the curl of this electric field because of that dot product of k and r, leaving the field as a scalar (as far as I can tell)
Scalar is only the cosine term. The ##\mathbf{E_0}## is a vector though it is constant. You have to use the following vector calculus identity: $$\nabla\times (\mathbf{E_0}f)=(\nabla\times\mathbf{E_0})f+\nabla f\times\mathbf{E_0}$$ where ##f## is your scalar that is $$f=\cos(\mathbf{k}\cdot\mathbf{r}-\omega t+\phi)$$
Also because ##\mathbf{E_0}## is a constant vector we have ##\nabla\times\mathbf{E_0}=0## which simplifies further the above identity.
And as I said , scalar is only the cosine term that is ##f##, the product ##\mathbf{E_0}f## is a vector so we are justified to take its curl.
 
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Hi @Blanchdog -- As you can see from the reply by @Delta2 it makes the math much more readable if you use LaTeX to post equations. That is the gold standard at PF.

Please look through the LaTeX Guide link at the bottom left of the Edit window to become familiar with the basics of posting in LaTeX. Thank you. :smile:
 
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Delta2 said:
Scalar is only the cosine term. The ##\mathbf{E_0}## is a vector though it is constant. You have to use the following vector calculus identity: $$\nabla\times (\mathbf{E_0}f)=(\nabla\times\mathbf{E_0})f+\nabla f\times\mathbf{E_0}$$ where ##f## is your scalar that is $$f=\cos(\mathbf{k}\cdot\mathbf{r}-\omega t+\phi)$$
Also because ##\mathbf{E_0}## is a constant vector we have ##\nabla\times\mathbf{E_0}=0## which simplifies further the above identity.
And as I said , scalar is only the cosine term that is ##f##, the product ##\mathbf{E_0}f## is a vector so we are justified to take its curl.

Thanks Delta2! With that vector identity I was able to prove the relation.
 
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