What is the Correct Approach for Solving Faraday's Law Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to Faraday's Law, specifically focusing on the calculation of magnetic flux and the resulting induced charge in a loop. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and the discrepancies between their results and those presented in a textbook.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the induced charge Q(t) based on magnetic flux through a loop, questioning whether their approach is incomplete by only considering a specific interval of ωt. Other participants inquire about the methods used to solve the differential equation for Q(t) and raise concerns about the validity of the separation of variables due to the presence of a cosine term.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, with some providing guidance on solving the differential equation and questioning the assumptions made in the calculations. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the complexity of the solution compared to the textbook answer.

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There is mention of initial conditions and the complexity of the textbook solution, which includes multiple terms involving cosine, sine, and exponential functions. Participants are also discussing the limitations of their approaches and the need for a more thorough understanding of the differential equation involved.

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Consider the circuit below, which has a capacitor and a resistor and negligible self-inductance. The area enclosed by the circuit is A.
Suppose at t = 0 there is no charge on the capacitor and a magnetic field is switched on which points into the paper. The magnetic field varies with time according to
|B→| = B[SUB]0[/SUB] sin(ωt)
where B[SUB]0[/SUB] and ω are constants. Find the charge on the top plate as a function of time.
Relevant Equations
Q = CV
V = IR
This seems like just another Faraday's Law problem, but I'm getting the wrong answer according to the book. I think I'm only calculating the answer for the interval ωt = 0 and ωt = pi/2, when the |B→| is increasing. Basically you just calculate the magnetic flux through the area of the loop, which is -B0Asin(ωt). It's negative because I have chosen to go CCW around the loop, making dA→ point out of the page while the magnetic field points inwards. Taking the derivative of this WRT time is just -B0Aωcos(ωt). I set this equal to the negative closed path integral of E→ ⋅ dr→, which is -Q/C-iR since I'm going ccw around the path in the same direction as the current. After doing some math and noting Q(0) = 0, I get that Q(t) = CB0Aωcos(ωt)(1-e^-t/(RC)).
However, the book has a super complex and weird answer and with 3 terms: 1 with cos, 1 with sin, and 1 with e exponential.
Do I only have half the answer since I only considered the interval between ωt = 0 and ωt = pi/2, where |B→| is increasing? Thanks a lot.
 

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Mark Zhu said:
After doing some math and noting Q(0) = 0, I get that Q(t) = CB0Aωcos(ωt)(1-e^-t/(RC)).
How did you solve the differential equation for Q(t)?
 
Mark Zhu said:
. After doing some math and noting Q(0) = 0, I get that Q(t) = CB0Aωcos(ωt)(1-e^-t/(RC)).
However, the book has a super complex and weird answer and with 3 terms: 1 with cos, 1 with sin, and 1 with e exponential.
Check if your function is really solution of the problem.
 
doggydan42 said:
How did you solve the differential equation for Q(t)?
 

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On the line where you introduced the natural logarithm, there is a cosine term of t, so you cannot simply say that it is an integral like ##\frac{dQ}{Q+C}##, for some constant C. Separation of variables does not work because you have that cos(ωt).

You need to solve the homogeneous differential equation first to get the complementary solution, then you can make an ansatz for the full differential equation to get the particular solution.
 
doggydan42 said:
On the line where you introduced the natural logarithm, there is a cosine term of t, so you cannot simply say that it is an integral like ##\frac{dQ}{Q+C}##, for some constant C. Separation of variables does not work because you have that cos(ωt).

You need to solve the homogeneous differential equation first to get the complementary solution, then you can make an ansatz for the full differential equation to get the particular solution.
Thank you so much
 

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