Using integration to find depth

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The problem involves calculating the depth of a sinkhole based on the time it takes for a dropped mobile phone to hit the bottom and the sound of the impact to travel back up. The context includes concepts from kinematics and sound propagation, with specific values for gravity and the speed of sound provided.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss integrating acceleration to find depth and question how to incorporate the time for sound travel. There are attempts to set up equations relating total time to the fall time and sound travel time, with varying levels of clarity and understanding.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided hints and suggestions for approaching the calculations, while others express uncertainty about the next steps. No consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are working under the assumption of no air resistance and are trying to reconcile the total time of 8.5 seconds with the time taken for both the fall and the sound travel. There is a noted lack of clarity on how to effectively combine these elements in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Your mobile phone drops down a sinkhole. You hear it hit the bottom 8.5 seconds later. How deep is the hole?
Assume there is no air resistance
velocity of sound 334m/s
gravity 9.8m/s

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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried integrating the equation using just the acceleration; however, I believe that the velocity of sound needs to be incorporated aswell. So I started with a(t)=9.8 then integrated to get 9.8t +c, then I made t=0 v=0 and so c=0 and integrated again to get 4.9t^2 +c, I'm not sure where to go from here.
 
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hi jackscholar! :smile:

do it the other way round …

find the time it takes to fall a distance x, then add the time for the sound to return from that distance,

then put that equal to 8.5, and solve for x :wink:
 
all I can think of is 8.5=9.8x + ?? for some reason I keep going back to 8.5=9.8x+x/334
 
what is the time taken to fall a distance x (from rest)?
 
I'm sorry but i have absolutely no idea
 
I shall sleep on it. Thank you for all your help, as always you've given me something to think about.
 
Hint:

Determine the time for the sound to go from bottom of pit to top. If depth is y then

dt = y/334 seconds

Use free fall equation to determine depth of hole.

y = 0.5 * a * t^2 where

t = total time minus the time for the sound to get from bottom to top
a = 9.8 m/sec^2
 

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