Using Kepler's constant for Jupiter

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The discussion revolves around calculating Kepler's constant for Jupiter, given its mass and the mass of the Sun. The original poster explores different formulas for Kepler's constant and expresses confusion regarding the appropriate use of units and the relationship between radius and period.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use two different formulas for Kepler's constant, questioning the validity of each based on the information provided. They express uncertainty about the units and the need for conversion between days and years.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the dimensional analysis of the constants and suggest using the formula that includes the gravitational constant, emphasizing the importance of consistent units. The conversation indicates that multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the choice of period measurement.

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The original poster notes a discrepancy in the definitions of Kepler's constant from different sources, which adds to their confusion. There is also mention of a lack of complete information regarding the radius and period of Jupiter, which affects the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Given that Jupiter has a mass of 1.9*10^27kg, and the sun has a mass of 1.99*10^30kg:

a)Calculate the value of Kepler's constant for Jupiter

Homework Equations



k = r^3/T^2
K = G(M+m)/4pi^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Well since the question only gave me the mass of Jupiter and the Sun I'm assuming that I should use Gm/4pi^2 instead even though this formula should only be used when the masses of the two objects (Jupiter and Sun) are close to each other...right?

Let G = Universal gravitational constant
Let M = mass of the Sun
Let m = mass of Jupiter

K = G(M+m)/4pi^2
k = (6.67*10^-11)(1.99*10^30 + 1.9*10^27)/4pi^2
=3.365*10^18, I'm not sure about the units for this formula

I'm pretty sure I can't use k = r^3/T^2 because the question didn't provide me with enough information to do so, but out of curiosity I googled the radius of Jupiter along with its period and plugged it in the formula:

radius (r) is in meters and period (T) is in days (should it be in days or years?)
k = r^3/T^2
= 71492000^3/4331.57^2
= 1.9475*10^16 m/d

If T was in years (11.89):
k = r^3/T^2
= 71492000^3/11.89^2
= 2.584*10^21 m/y

Ok, so clearly these numbers aren't close to the one above. Can you guys point out what I'm doing wrong?

also another confusion that I have, according to other sources(Wikipedia) Kepler's constant should be k = T^2/r^3 rather than(my textbook) k = r^3/T^2.

and if I use K = T^2/r^3 (for T is in days)
K = 5.134*10^-17 d/m

for T in years:
k = 3.868*10^-22 y/m

Please help me out on this
 
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Your dimensions need fixing. The dimensions of K (or k) are [Length]3/[Time]2. If you choose the formula that has G in it, it is less confusing to do all calculations expressing the period in seconds, then convert to m3/yr2 for K if you wish. That's because G has "seconds" buried in it as its units are N.m2/kg2 and N = kg.m/s2.
 
Thanks for the reply.
according to what you said, in this case, would it be better to use the formula with G in it?

also, Should the calculation be done in years or days?
 
Either way should give you the same number. However, if you use the formula with G, the period must be expressed in seconds.
 
ok, I'll try that.
thanks a bunch for the help. I'll come back to this topic again next week as I'm going on a short trip.
 

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