Using Lagrange to solve rotating parabolic motion and equilibrium

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a bead of mass m sliding on a parabolic wire that is rotating about a vertical axis. The context is set in cylindrical polar coordinates, with the equation of the parabola given as z = kp². The task is to formulate the Lagrangian and derive the equations of motion, while also exploring the conditions for equilibrium and stability of the bead on the spinning wire.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the Lagrangian and the derivation of the equation of motion. There are attempts to understand the conditions for equilibrium by considering the derivatives of the polar radius and exploring the implications of setting certain derivatives to zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants attempting to derive conditions for equilibrium and questioning the stability of those positions. There is a recognition of the need to clarify equilibrium conditions, but no consensus has been reached on the stability analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of using Lagrangian mechanics to analyze a non-trivial system involving rotational motion and potential energy considerations. There is mention of specific equations and conditions that may be relevant to the problem, but the completeness of the information is still under exploration.

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Homework Statement



Consider a bead of mass m sliding without friction on a wire that is bent in the shape of a parabola and is being spun with constant angular velocity w about its vertical axis. Use cylindrical polar coordinates and let the equation of the parabola be z = kp2. Write down the Lagrangian in terms of p as the generalized coordinate. Find the equation of motion of the bead and determine whether there are positions of equilibrium, that is, values of p at which the bead can remain fixed, without sliding up or down the spinning wire. Discuss the stability of any equilibrium positions you find.

Homework Equations

L=E-U
v1=pw
v2=dp/dt
v3=2kp(dp/dt)
U=mgkp^2
E=mv^2/2

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the equation of motion using the lagrangian, which matched the answer in the back of the book. I just don't know how to use Lagrance to find equilibrium, and I've tried several things such as setting d2p/dt2=0 and d2U/dp2=0.The equation of motion is: (g=accel. due to gravity)

pw2-4k2p(dp/dt)2-2kgp=(d2p/dt2)(1+4k2p2
 
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If the bead remains fixed, what can be said about the derivatives of its polar radius?
 
dp/dt=0, d2p/dt2=0

so equil. occurs when w2=2kg, or when p=0. Is that right? And then how can I find which is stable/unstable?
 
Have you studied any equilibrium conditions/criteria?
 

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