Using Lagrange's Theorem to Show 1.71<\sqrt{3}<1.75

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the inequality 1.71 < √3 < 1.75 using Lagrange's theorem, also referred to as the mean value theorem. Participants explore different approaches to apply this theorem to the problem, focusing on the function f(x) = x² and f(x) = √x.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the mean value theorem with the function f(x) = x², calculating f'(c) and evaluating at the endpoints a = 1.71 and b = 1.75.
  • Another participant suggests that the monotonically increasing nature of the function implies f(1.71) < f(√3) < f(1.75), providing specific values for these evaluations.
  • A different approach is introduced, using the function f(x) = √x with a = 3 and b = 4, estimating f'(c) based on the decreasing nature of f'(x) to derive inequalities for √3.
  • One participant humorously notes that the fraction 12/7 is greater than 1.71, implying a connection to the inequality being discussed.

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Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, indicating a lack of consensus on the best method to demonstrate the inequality. Different interpretations of Lagrange's theorem and its application are evident.

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Some assumptions regarding the behavior of the functions and the specific values used in calculations are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification on the steps taken.

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Speaking of theorems, I have another question. I need to show, using Lagrange's theorem, that:

1.71&lt;\sqrt{3}&lt;1.75

By Lagrange's theorem I mean the one of:

f ' (c)=(f(b)-f(a)) / (b-a)

thanks !
 
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I have never seen the mean-value theorem used in such a way, but I assume we may state:

$\displaystyle f(x)=x^2\,\therefore\,f'(x)=2x$

$\displaystyle a=1.71,\,b=1.75$

Hence:

$\displaystyle c=\frac{1.75^2-1.71^2}{2(1.75-1.71)}=1.73$

$\displaystyle f(c)=1.73^2=2.9929$

Or maybe it's as simple as stating (given the monotonically increasing behavior of the function on the given interval):

$\displaystyle f(1.71)<f(\sqrt{3})<f(1.75)$

$\displaystyle 2.9241<3<3.0625$
 
Yankel said:
Speaking of theorems, I have another question. I need to show, using Lagrange's theorem, that:

1.71&lt;\sqrt{3}&lt;1.75

By Lagrange's theorem I mean the one of:

f ' (c)=(f(b)-f(a)) / (b-a)

thanks !
Use the Lagrange relation (which I prefer to call the mean value theorem) $f'(c) = \dfrac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}$, using the function $f(x)=\sqrt x$, and taking $b=4$, $a=3$, so that $c$ has to be some point between 3 and 4. You will then need to estimate the value of $f'(c)$, using the fact that it lies between $f'(3)$ and $f'(4)$ (because $f'(x)$ is a decreasing function in this case). That will give you two inequalities for $\sqrt3$, one of which should lead quite easily to the result $\sqrt{3}<1.75$. The other one is a bit trickier, and you may find it helpful to use the fact that $\dfrac1{\sqrt3} = \dfrac{\sqrt3}3.$
 
it's a darn good thing 12/7 > 1.71 is all i have to say.
 

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