Using math to determine the future?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using mathematics to predict future technological outcomes and advancements. Participants explore the complexities involved in making such predictions, including the limitations of current knowledge and the chaotic nature of systems involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while it is possible to attempt predictions using math, the accuracy is highly dependent on the understanding of numerous interrelated factors.
  • There is a concern that even with the right equations, the complexity of the systems may lead to chaotic outcomes, where small errors in input can result in significant deviations in predictions.
  • One participant mentions Moore's law as an example of a mathematical framework that relates to technological growth.
  • Another participant introduces Murphy's law, arguing that predicting the future is more about understanding universal behaviors than mathematical calculations.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the ability of math to predict specific future events, comparing it to predicting personal experiences like falling in love.
  • A later reply suggests that if one could know the initial state of the universe, it might be possible to predict future states, although this raises questions about the feasibility of obtaining such information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on the role of mathematics in predicting the future and the inherent uncertainties involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the accuracy of initial conditions, the complexity of systems being modeled, and the potential for chaotic behavior in predictions.

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Can you use math to calculate the outcome,say the outcome of our future's technology? Like calculate the resources we have right now and what new technology we will have in the next few years.

Is this possible?
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
Eh?
 
You can TRY! In fact there are many "think tanks" doing that right now. However, the result is dependent on how good our knowledge of the intermeshing of a huge number of things is and that is very iffy. In addition, there is the distinct possibility that even if we knew all of the "equations" they would be so complex that the outcome would be "chaotic"- that is, a tiny error in any of the inputs would produce an enormous error in the result.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You can TRY! In fact there are many "think tanks" doing that right now. However, the result is dependent on how good our knowledge of the intermeshing of a huge number of things is and that is very iffy. In addition, there is the distinct possibility that even if we knew all of the "equations" they would be so complex that the outcome would be "chaotic"- that is, a tiny error in any of the inputs would produce an enormous error in the result.

do you know any formulas or math equations to do that then?

Im attempting to try, but i need a jump start first.
 
One example is Moore's law.
 
The most relevant one in this case is Murphy's law. No really. Math is mainly a language that enables unambiguous statements to be made so that stated premises can lead to logical conclusions according to the rules of the language. Predicting the future has little to do with math and everything to do with knowing how the universe behaves. Even knowing how the universe behaves doesn't mean that you are able to express all necessary input in math terms and calculate the conclusion faster than events actually unfold.

Predicting the future is always an approximation, an art form. You can surely use math to put down what you're doing since it's a precise language. Just don't expect any magic.
 
ode is about using math to predict the future, but i would not say determine it, just guess at it.
 
You can predict what year it's going to be next year.

The most accurate method is to add one to the current year.

So, for next year we have...

2006 + 1 = 2007

So, we will have to wait and see if this is true. :biggrin:

Anyways, it's amazing what math can do, but I don't think a mathematician can answer it. It's more like what a Physicist would answer.
 
I don't see how any mathematical calculation could have predicted the internet's discovery. It's like saying can i mathematically determine if you'll fall in love tomorrow. What kind of crazy idea is that.
 
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it could have if given the initial state you couold provide the entire state fo the universe. the question shouhld be could you provide all that info
 

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