Using Matrix Multiplication to Obtain Another Matrix

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The discussion revolves around using matrix multiplication of matrices A, B, C, and D to obtain matrix E. The matrices involved are defined with a variable 'a' that needs to be set to a specific value to facilitate the multiplication process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore various values for 'a' and discuss the order of multiplication needed to achieve matrix E. Some participants suggest that certain combinations may not yield the desired result, while others question the feasibility of obtaining a real solution.

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There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants sharing observations about the transformations induced by the matrices. Some have provided insights into the determinants of the matrices, while others express frustration over the lack of progress and clarity on how to proceed.

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Participants note that they have not been taught certain mathematical concepts, such as determinants, which may limit their ability to fully engage with the problem. There is also mention of the possibility that 'a' could take on non-real values, which complicates the discussion further.

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Homework Statement



I need to use matrix multiplication of matrices A-D to obtain matrix E. I also need to set a equal to some value that would allow me to perform this multiplication.


Homework Equations



The matrixes I need to multiply:
A = [1, 1; 0, 1]
B = [1, 0; 1, 1]
C = [a, 0; 0, 1]
D = [1, 0; 0, a]

By multiplying the above matrices in some order, I need to obtain the following matrix:

E = [0, 1; 1, 0]

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried setting a = 0, 1, -1, 2, and -2 (since those seemed like the most logical choices) and tried all combinations of multiplication. For the life of me, I can't figure out the order the multiplication should go in and which of the four matrices to multiply together to get matrix E. There has to be a simpler way of approaching the problem, right? I just need some help getting onto the right path.
 
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Note that ##CD = DC = aI## (i.e., the scalar ##a## times the identity matrix), and ##AB(aI) = A(aI)B = (aI)AB##. None of these will work, because ##AB## is not a multiple of ##E##. Similarly, ##BA## is not a multiple of ##E##. So you know ##C## and ##D## can't be adjacent.

Maybe you can make some other observations which will help you reduce the possibilities further. Anything has to be better than just randomly trying different arrangements, because there are a lot of them (##4! = 24##).

Another observation is that ##E^2 = I##, not sure if that will be helpful.
 
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Thanks for your help, but I'm still struggling tremendously. I understand that a will most likely be 0 or -1 (or maybe 1, but that would make C and D the same identity matrix). Is there any other guidance I could get?
 
annpaulveal said:
Thanks for your help, but I'm still struggling tremendously. I understand that a will most likely be 0 or -1 (or maybe 1, but that would make C and D the same identity matrix). Is there any other guidance I could get?

It might be easier to look at the transformations the matrices induce. If
x= \pmatrix{x_1\\x_2} then
A: x \longrightarrow \pmatrix{x_1+x_2\\x_2}\\<br /> B: x \longrightarrow \pmatrix{x_1\\x_1+x_2}\\<br /> C: x \longrightarrow \pmatrix{ax_1\\x_2}\\<br /> D: x \longrightarrow \pmatrix{x_1\\ax_2}<br /> and you want to find a sequences of such transformations (and a value of 'a') that gives
\pmatrix{x_1\\x_2} \: \longrightarrow \pmatrix{x_2\\x_1}
 
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You can use determinants to find the possible value(s) for ##a##.
 
Sorry, I still haven't been able to make any progress at all. Thanks anyway.
 
annpaulveal said:
Sorry, I still haven't been able to make any progress at all. Thanks anyway.
Not even in finding the possible value(s) for ##a##? Did you try taking determinants of both sides as I suggested? The answer might surprise you: ##a## can't even be a real number, assuming I did the calculation correctly.
 
I haven't been taught how to use determinants like you said, and it wouldn't be possible for a to be an imaginary number for this solution. If I wasn't clear, I have to figure out some kind of combination of multiplying matrixes A-D in order to get E as the result. First, I have to figure out what a should be. So, for example, a solution would be (A*B)*(C*D), or some similar combination.

I've tried everything and I've been working on this for hours. I just want to cry.
 
I don't think a solution exists. Here is how you use determinants to find ##a##. Regardless of the order in which you multiply ##A##, ##B##, ##C##, and ##D##, the resulting product will have the same determinant, namely ##\det(A)\det(B)\det(C)\det(D)##, where for a general matrix ##[a\textrm{ }b; c\textrm{ }d]##, the determinant is ##ad - bc##. Using this formula, we get ##\det(A) = \det(B) = 1##, ##\det(C) = \det(D) = a##, and ##\det(E) = -1##. As ##\det(A)\det(B)\det(C)\det(D) = \det(E)##, we have ##a^2 = -1##, so ##a = i## or ##a = -i##.

Out of curiosity, I wrote a brute-force Matlab script which computes the products of all 24 possible permutations, assuming either ##a = i## or ##a = -i##. No permutation even resulted in a real-valued matrix, let alone ##E##. So either I made a coding error or there is no solution.
 
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annpaulveal said:

Homework Statement



I need to use matrix multiplication of matrices A-D to obtain matrix E. I also need to set a equal to some value that would allow me to perform this multiplication.


Homework Equations



The matrixes I need to multiply:
A = [1, 1; 0, 1]
B = [1, 0; 1, 1]
C = [a, 0; 0, 1]
D = [1, 0; 0, a]

By multiplying the above matrices in some order, I need to obtain the following matrix:

E = [0, 1; 1, 0]

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried setting a = 0, 1, -1, 2, and -2 (since those seemed like the most logical choices) and tried all combinations of multiplication. For the life of me, I can't figure out the order the multiplication should go in and which of the four matrices to multiply together to get matrix E. There has to be a simpler way of approaching the problem, right? I just need some help getting onto the right path.

You can do it, but you need more than 4 multiplications. Recall how the matrices transform vectors:
A:\pmatrix{x\\y}\rightarrow\pmatrix{x+y\\y}\\<br /> B: \pmatrix{x\\y} \rightarrow \pmatrix{x\\x+y}\\<br /> C: \pmatrix{x\\y} \rightarrow \pmatrix{ax\\y}\\<br /> D: \pmatrix{x\\y} \rightarrow \pmatrix{x\\ay}<br />
If we set ##a = -1## we can transform
\pmatrix{x\\y} \rightarrow \pmatrix{y\\x}
through a sequence of such moves:
\pmatrix{x\\y} \rightarrow \pmatrix{-x\\y} \rightarrow \pmatrix{-x\\y-x}<br /> \rightarrow \pmatrix{x\\y-x} <br /> \rightarrow \pmatrix{y\\y-x} \rightarrow \pmatrix{-y\\y-x} \rightarrow \pmatrix{-y\\-x}<br /> \rightarrow \pmatrix{y\\-x} \rightarrow \pmatrix{y\\x}.
 

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