Using negation of an for all statment in a proof by contradiction.

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This discussion clarifies the application of proof by contradiction in the context of implications, specifically the statement A => B for all x. It establishes that to prove A => B, one must assume the negation, which is that there exists at least one x for which A is true and B is false. The conversation emphasizes that selecting an arbitrary x is crucial for generalization, and it is incorrect to assume the existence of cases where the implication holds prior to proving it. The key takeaway is that the only counterexample to A => B arises when A is true and B is false.

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So if I want to prove. A=>B for all x.

Does the following work?

Suppose for contradiction, B is not true for all x, that is, there exists at least one x such that B is not true. In particular, assume that B is true for x=c and B isn't true for all other x. If I arrive at a contradiction, then A must imply B.


So does it work if I pick a single value of x such that B is true and let B not be true for all other values? This is a little confusing because the negation simply specifies the case for at least one x such that B isn't true. There could be more than one x such that B isn't true.
 
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No. In proof by contradiction you choose one arbitrary case for which you are assuming B is not true.
You are showing that it it impossible for there to be even one case where A is true and B is not true. However, this case does have to be arbitrary, because if it isn't arbitrary then you can't generalize to all x which means you cannot generate a contradiction.

Edit: You don't have to assume that there are any cases for which the implication holds (and in fact you can't, because you haven't proved that any exist), as you did above. It is irrelevant to this type of proof, anyway.
 
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torquerotates said:
So if I want to prove. A=>B for all x.

For proof by contradiction, you assume: There is an x such that it is false that A=>B.

"It is false that A implies B" is equivalent to the statement "A is true and B is false". (This may be the difficult part to grasp. Think of it this way: the only way you can provide a counterexample to "A implies B" is to provide an example where A is true and B is false. An example where A was false would not disprove "A implies B" )

So what you assume is "There exists an x such that A is true and B is false".
 

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