Using Ptolemy's Theorem to prove simple (yet unique) cases?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Ptolemy's theorem in proving properties related to points on the circumcircle of a regular hexagon and the relationships between segments formed by points in the plane of a triangle. The original poster presents two distinct problems that involve geometric reasoning and the use of cyclic quadrilaterals.

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  • The original poster attempts to leverage Ptolemy's theorem to establish relationships between segments in a hexagon and questions the complexity of the proof. They also express uncertainty about how to visualize a problem involving segments forming an obtuse triangle and seek guidance on drawing the figure.

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Participants are exploring the implications of Ptolemy's theorem and discussing the clarity of the problem statements. Some participants have raised questions about the wording and the feasibility of the geometric configurations described. The original poster indicates that they have found solutions to the problems but still seek assistance with other related questions.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the wording of the problems and the interpretation of geometric relationships, particularly concerning the formation of triangles from segments radiating from a point. The original poster notes that the problems may have been misinterpreted initially.

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Problem: Point P is on arc AB of the circumcircle of regular hexagon ABCDEF. Prove that PD + PE = PA + PB + PC + PF.

I'm aware that I'm supposed to use Ptolemy's theorem, which states that
if a quadrilateral ABCD is cyclic, then AC x BD = AB x CD + AD x BC.
I've drawn the hexagon and it seems like an unreasonably long proof is required if I wanted to prove it based on various quadrilaterals inherent within the circle, but I've got a hunch that I can use the analog for a triangle:
If point P is on arc AB of the circumcircle of equilateral triangle ABC, then PC = PA + PB,
which I've already proved in a separate question.

Any tips for getting the ball rolling for this proof?

Also, there's another question that I have based on using Ptolemy's theorem:
Let P be a point in the plane of triangle ABC such that the segments PA, PB, and PC are the sides of an obtuse triangle. Assume that in this triangle the obtuse angle opposes the side congruent to PA. Prove that angle BAC is acute.
For this problem, primarily, I'm having a difficult time determining how to draw the figure. I'm sure that once I am able to, I'll be able to work through to a solution using Ptolemy's inequality, but how should I go about making a figure for this? I find the wording to be a bit abstract compared to how it usually is in these types of problems.
 
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theJorge551 said:
I'm aware that I'm supposed to use Ptolemy's theorem, which states that

AC ?? BD = AB ?? CD + AD ?? BC
Whatever operators you have there, they don't show up for me. (Other than as 0x95).
 
Edited out the weird symbols and replaced them. Should be all clear now. Sorry for the confusion.
 
theJorge551 said:
Also, there's another question that I have based on using Ptolemy's theorem:For this problem, primarily, I'm having a difficult time determining how to draw the figure.

There must be an error somewhere. How can 3 lines radiating from a point form the sides of a triangle? And what is meant by "the side congruent to PA"? Are there meant to be two triangles?

Too many errors.
 
NascentOxygen said:
There must be an error somewhere. How can 3 lines radiating from a point form the sides of a triangle? And what is meant by "the side congruent to PA"? Are there meant to be two triangles?

Too many errors.

I went over the problem today, and it turns out that the wording was fallacious. I've seen the solutions for both of these problems now (the way they were meant to be interpreted) and I no longer need help with them...but the ones in my other thread are much more pressing. :P
 

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