Using the limit definition (f(x+h)-f(x)\h

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The discussion revolves around the application of the limit definition of derivatives, specifically addressing problems involving differentiation of functions such as constants and power functions. Participants express confusion and seek clarification on specific examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the square root of 30 is a constant and therefore its derivative is 0, while another participant corrects this by stating that the square root of 30 is approximately 5.4, but agrees that the derivative of the constant function is indeed 0.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in applying the limit definition to the function R(t) = 5t^(-3/5) and seeks assistance in finding the correct solution.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the derivative in a different form and provides steps to rationalize the numerator in the differentiation process.
  • There is a discussion about the correct notation and terminology, with one participant pointing out a typo in the derivative notation.
  • A participant raises a question about how to rationalize the numerator when dealing with the limit definition, providing an example involving square roots.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the derivative of constant functions being zero, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of the square root of 30 and the correct approach to differentiating the function R(t). The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to seek clarification and assistance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about specific steps in the differentiation process, particularly regarding rationalization and notation. There are unresolved questions about the methods to apply in certain cases.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about derivatives, particularly those struggling with the limit definition and its application to various functions.

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I have to differentiate some problems using the limit definition (f(x+h)-f(x)\h), but Iam having some trouble on a couple.

1. Square root of 30 is 0 because its a constant correct?

2. R(t) = 5t^(-3/5) <---- I have tried this problem many times with the definition, but I can't come up with the correct solution and I don't know why!

Thanks
 
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1. correct2. rewrite this as [tex]5\frac{d}{dt} \frac{1}{t^{\frac{3}{5}}}[/tex].

So: [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt[5]{(t+h)^{3}}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt[5]{t^{3}}}[/tex]. Subtract the fractions. Then rationalize the numerator. take the limit, and then multiply by 5.
 
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1. Wow, I hate it when people misuse terminology so badly!

NO! [itex]\sqrt{30}[/itex] is NOT 0!. It is about 5.4! Of course, it is true that the derivative of the function [itex]f(x)= \sqrt{30}[/itex], since that is a constant function, is 0.
 
hmm iam still confused.. sorry
not about square root of 30.. about the next problem
 
courtigrad, you surely meant the derivative wrt. t, didn't you? ;)
 
yeah, just a typo. my bad. also i notice people type "courtigrad" instead of "courtrigrad".
 
the trouble is: what do you multiply the fraction by to rationalize the numerator.

[tex]t^{\frac{3}{5}} - (t+h)^{\frac{3}{5}}[/tex] multiplied by something to get [tex]t - (t+h) = -h[/tex]

For example, [tex]t^{\frac{1}{2}} - (t+h)^{\frac{1}{2}}(t^{\frac{1}{2}} + (t+h)^{\frac{1}{2}}) = -h[/tex]
 
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Alright I got it.. Thanks Guys!
 

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