Using the Work-Energy Theorem to Solve a Textbook Sliding Problem with Friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a 2.50-kg textbook compressed against a spring and sliding on a tabletop with friction. The objective is to determine how far the textbook moves before coming to rest, using the work-energy theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy theorem and the role of friction in the problem. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between kinetic energy and the work done by friction. Questions arise regarding the initial and final states of the textbook's motion and how to account for the forces involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the work-energy theorem in the context of friction and spring force. Some guidance has been provided regarding the change in kinetic energy and the relationship between the work done by the spring and friction. Multiple interpretations of the initial conditions and the role of kinetic energy are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of determining the distance the textbook travels without explicit values for velocity or time, as well as the need to consider the work done by both the spring and friction.

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Homework Statement



A 2.50-kg textbook is forced against a horizontal spring of negligible mass and force constant, k, of 250N/m, compressing the spring a distance of 0.250 m. When released, the textbook slides on a horizontal tabletop with coefficient of kinetic friction μk=0.30. Use the work-energy theorem to find how far the text-book moves from its initial position before coming to rest.

Homework Equations



Wtot=K2-K1=ΔK (work-energy theorem)
K=0.5mv2

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea how to even start. It says that I have to use the work energy theorem, so all I can think of doing is substitution. However, Work-energy theorem has no reference to kinetic friction, just kinetic energy. Any ideas to get me started?
 
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Yosty22 said:
However, Work-energy theorem has no reference to kinetic friction, just kinetic energy. Any ideas to get me started?
Friction is a force, so consider the work done by it.
 
Doc Al said:
Friction is a force, so consider the work done by it.

Ok, so I used the equation friction=μ*n.

Since the table it is on is horizontal, that means that there is no acceleration or any motion up or down, so W=N. In this case, I use the weight of the box which came out to be 9.8*2.5=24.5N.

I found the force of force of friction to be 7.35N acting in the opposite direction of motion. This is where I am stuck. If I put Work due to friction in the work energy theorem, I have to multiply the force of friction by the distance over which it acts. How do I find the distance that the friction acts over? I thought that the force of friction acted over the same distance as it moved, just in the opposite direction. In this case, I still have two unknowns: the total distance that the block traveled and its velocity, but the problem only asks for the distance. How would I go about finding the velocity if it is not given and I don't know the kenetic energy or how far it traveled or any time interval?
 
Hint: What's final speed of the book?
 
Doc Al said:
Hint: What's final speed of the book?

Ahh, ok, it would be zero because it comes to a rest. However, wouldn't it start from rest as well, since it is pushed up against the compressed spring? Or would I designate v1to be the moment it leaves the spring?
 
Yosty22 said:
Ahh, ok, it would be zero because it comes to a rest. However, wouldn't it start from rest as well, since it is pushed up against the compressed spring?
Yes, it starts from rest and ends up at rest.
Or would I designate v1to be the moment it leaves the spring?
All you need to worry about is the change in KE. What would that be? (No need to worry about intermediate points.)
 
So wouldn't that mean the change is 0? In which case, there is no kinetic energy. Does that make sense?
 
Yosty22 said:
So wouldn't that mean the change is 0? In which case, there is no kinetic energy. Does that make sense?
The change in kinetic energy is zero, which makes perfect sense. After all, you're trying to find how how far the thing goes before friction brings it to rest. (That doesn't mean that there wasn't kinetic energy while it was moving, but who cares?)
 
So since friction and the spring are both doing work, would the total work be the (work of the spring) - (the work of friction) since work by friction is against motion?
 
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Sydney Austin said:
So since friction and the spring are both doing work, would the total work be the (work of the spring) - (the work of friction) since work by friction is against motion?
Sure.
 

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