Using Y to Delta Transformation to Find Currents

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the current divider rule in a circuit analysis context, specifically involving a Y to Delta transformation to find currents. Participants are examining the configuration of resistors and the implications for current division.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the applicability of the current divider rule after calculating equivalent resistance and source current. There is a suggestion to find the Norton equivalent of the circuit to clarify the current distribution. Some participants express confusion regarding the parallel configuration of resistors and the conditions under which the current divider rule is valid.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the circuit configuration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the specific arrangement of resistors and the conditions for applying the current divider rule. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants continue to question the assumptions made about the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the complexity of the circuit, particularly the interactions between the 210-ohm resistor and other resistors in the configuration. The presence of additional resistors complicates the application of the current divider rule, leading to further inquiry into the circuit's behavior.

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Homework Statement
Use a Y-to-Δ transformation to find the unknown quantities for the circuit.
Find:
1) io
2) i1
3) i2
4) power delivered by ideal voltage source
Relevant Equations
Shown below are the equations for delta to y transformations and vice verse. Also the current divider equation and Ohm's law.
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Can someone explain why I can't simply use a current divider once I've found the equivalent resistance and source current for the entire circuit? This would look like i0 = 0.044*(113.53/210). Req = 113.53.

If it helps, the correct answers appear to be: i0 = 8.28 mA, i1 = 23.6 mA, i2 = 35.8 mA, P = 0.220 W.
 
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The logic is: if you have a current divider circuit, then I = I_total (R/Req).

You don't have a current divider, so the formula doesn't apply.

You might try finding the Norton equivalent of the circuit connected to the 210-ohm resistor. You would then have a current divider. You'll find I_nort is not equal to the source current you calculated, and Rth is nowhere near Req.
 
vela said:
The logic is: if you have a current divider circuit, then I = I_total (R/Req).

You don't have a current divider, so the formula doesn't apply.

You might try finding the Norton equivalent of the circuit connected to the 210-ohm resistor. You would then have a current divider. You'll find I_nort is not equal to the source current you calculated, and Rth is nowhere near Req.
Why don't I have a current divider for 210 ohm resistor? It is, after all, in parallel. And parallel circuits divide current up?
 
In parallel with what?
 
vela said:
In parallel with what?
40 and 20
 
It doesn't really make sense to say the 210-ohm resistor is in parallel with the 40-ohm and 20-ohm combination as those two resistors can't be combined into one element because of the 50-ohm resistor connected to the node in between them.

Anyway, the current divider rule applies to a specific configuration of resistors, and you simply don't have that here.
 
vela said:
It doesn't really make sense to say the 210-ohm resistor is in parallel with the 40-ohm and 20-ohm combination as those two resistors can't be combined into one element because of the 50-ohm resistor connected to the node in between them.

Anyway, the current divider rule applies to a specific configuration of resistors, and you simply don't have that here.
Ok. I thought current divider works for parallel configurations because parallel configurations divide up current. Would a current divider then work for something more along these lines?
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