Vacuum Transitions and Lorentz Symmetry Breaking

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The discussion revolves around the concept of vacuum transitions and the implications of Lorentz symmetry breaking, particularly in the context of various "bumblebee" models. Participants explore theoretical scenarios regarding true and false vacuum states, their potential decay, and the resulting effects on particle physics and fundamental forces.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss "bumblebee" models where Lorentz invariance is violated due to a local vector or tensor field acquiring a nonzero vacuum expectation value.
  • There is uncertainty about whether the universe is in a true vacuum state or a false/metastable vacuum state that could decay, with references to potential energy injections that could alter the vacuum state.
  • One participant questions whether vacuum phase transitions could lead to changes in particle physics, potentially altering fundamental forces and symmetries.
  • Another participant raises the idea of an infinite number of false vacuums and questions the existence of a true vacuum.
  • Concerns are expressed about how to experimentally observe Lorentz symmetry breaking and the implications of such observations.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of string theory, noting its status as a mathematical toolkit rather than a definitive physical theory, and its relationship to supersymmetry.
  • There is a suggestion that if infinitely many false vacua exist, one might find a vacuum compatible with bumblebee models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various speculative ideas and questions, with no consensus reached on the existence of true versus false vacuums or the implications of Lorentz symmetry breaking. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and hypotheses presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of complex theories, such as string theory and bumblebee models, and express uncertainty about the implications of their ideas.

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Vacuum Transitions and Lorentz Symmetry Breaking
There are several "bumblebee" models [1], [2] where Lorentz invariance is violated usually resulting from a local vector or tensor field acquiring a nonzero vacuum expectation value

We do not know whether we are in the true vacuum state or in a "false"/metastable vacuum state that could decay. Even if we were in a true vacuum state, there could be (theoretically speaking) highly energetic events in the universe that would "inject" energy to the vacuum, changing its ground state into an excited/unstable/false vacuum state (this was confirmed by Gian Francesco Giudice, a particle physicist from CERN working in vacuum decay models, who told me this was possible in an email). Then this "new" metastable vacuum could decay into a lower vacuum state or even return to the initial true vacuum state. But then, even if we found that the Standard Model was complete (or that at least it was in a true vacuum state), would these vacuum phase transitions (from the true vacuum into a false one and then decaying) change the particle physics we know (changing the fundamental forces, fields and particles or even replacing them with totally different ones)?

And if that would be possible, then, since physics could change depending on the energy and the characteristics of the vacuum, could one of these vacuum phase transitions result in a specific configuration of particles, forces, fields, symmetries and groups that would be compatible with a vacuum from a Lorentz-symmetry violating theory that are cited in [2] (e.g Holger Nielsen's random dynamics: so in that vacuum one would find no fundamental symmetries in the smallest scales, as Nielsen proposes)?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee_models
[2]: http://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0035-001X2010000600006
 
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First you need to observe this Lorentz symmetry breaking in an experiment.
How do those theorists propose to observe this symmetry breaking?
 
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Could there be an infinite number of false vacuums and no true vacuum?

Just an idea.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Just an idea.
Is it even an idea?

What does it mean? How would you test such a thing - even in principle?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Is it even an idea?

What does it mean? How would you test such a thing - even in principle?
Is string theory testable?
:oldbiggrin:
 
Actually, yes. String theory says the universe is supersymmetric. Thus far, it appears not to be supported by data.

Now, let me contradict myself. "String theory" is not a physical theory, but a mathematical toolkit used to construct physical theories. These theories can be supported or not, nut the toolkit is as valid as its mathematics.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Actually, yes. String theory says the universe is supersymmetric. Thus far, it appears not to be supported by data.

Now, let me contradict myself. "String theory" is not a physical theory, but a mathematical toolkit used to construct physical theories. These theories can be supported or not, nut the toolkit is as valid as its mathematics.
As far as I know, not all string theories are supersymmetric.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Could there be an infinite number of false vacuums and no true vacuum?

Just an idea.
So if there were infinitely many false vacua, we would find in at least one of these vacua, a vacuum described by bumblebee models (like those cited in the article [2], like Holger Nielsen's model)?
 
Suekdccia said:
So if there were infinitely many false vacua, we would find in at least one of these vacua, a vacuum described by bumblebee models (like those cited in the article [2], like Holger Nielsen's model)?
I don't know, I haven't read his paper. And I am not so sure I have the right knowledge to understand it right now.
 

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