Varying timing of eclipses of Algol and constant speed of light?

In summary: Then, as the Earth moves closer to Algol, the light from Algol would be moving slower than the speed of light. This would cause the eclipses to last longer than they do now. However, if SR is false and the light from Algol is actually travelling at the same speed as the Earth, then the eclipses would happen too quickly for us to see them. Which is it?
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O Great One
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Take a look...
http://calgary.rasc.ca/algol_minima.htm

In May and November, the Earth is moving at "right angles" to the line to Algol. During this time we see minima happening regularly at their 2.867321 day intervals. However, during August, the Earth is rapidly moving towards Algol at about 107,229 km/hr as explained on my How Fast Are We Moving? page. (The Earth moves approximately 202 times its own size in one day.) So in 2.867321 days the Earth moves about 7,379,039 km closer to Algol. But the varying light from Algol doesn't know this - its light waves left Algol 93 years ago and are traveling at a constant speed. The result - we "catch a bunch of minima early" during August as shown on Chart 2. Exactly the opposite happens during February - the Earth is moving away from Algol that fast and it takes longer for the group of minima to reach us so we see them taking longer between events. How long? 7,379,039 km divided by the speed of light 299,792.458 km/sec is 24.61382 seconds - this rough calculation explains the deviations we see in Graph 2. So in May and November when we are not moving towards or away from Algol - the period seems constant. It is our rapid movement towards or away from the events in August and February that causes the timing differences.

Now then, if light always passes us at the same speed then what is causing the decrease in time between eclipses when we are moving towards Algol and an increase in time between eclipses when we are moving away from Algol?
 
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It's not the moving per se, but the fact that you are closer or further away. The key bits from the link you provided are:

"So in 2.867321 days the Earth moves about 7,379,039 km closer to Algol."

"its light waves left Algol 93 years ago and are traveling at a constant speed."

"7,379,039 km divided by the speed of light 299,792.458 km/sec is 24.61382 seconds"

"this rough calculation explains the deviations we see in Graph 2"
 
  • #3
Hmmm...Nobody is willing to admit that which is plainly obvious. Namely, that we have empirical evidence that the speed of light is not constant relative to all observers. If you have cars traveling towards you at a constant speed and they are equally spaced apart and you increase your velocity in the direction opposite to their movement (i.e. run towards them), then the time between each car is decreased and the cars' velocity relative to you is increased. So, another way of stating this is...
In May and November, the Earth is moving at "right angles" to the line to Algol. During this time we see minima happening regularly at their 2.867321 day intervals. However, during August, the Earth is rapidly moving towards Algol at about 107,229 km/hr as explained on my How Fast Are We Moving? page. (The Earth moves approximately 202 times its own size in one day.) So in 2.867321 days the Earth moves about 7,379,039 km closer to Algol. But the varying light from Algol doesn't know this - its light waves left Algol 93 years ago and are traveling at a constant speed relative to the aether. The result - we "catch a bunch of minima early" during August as shown on Chart 2. Exactly the opposite happens during February - the Earth is moving away from Algol that fast and it takes longer for the group of minima to reach us so we see them taking longer between events. How long? 7,379,039 km divided by the speed of light 299,792.458 km/sec is 24.61382 seconds - this rough calculation explains the deviations we see in Graph 2. So in May and November when we are not moving towards or away from Algol - the period seems constant. It is our rapid movement towards or away from the events in August and February that causes the timing differences.
 
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Everything is worked in a single frame.

The hypothesis of varying speed of light must be tested by comparing measurements in different frames.
 
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Do not put words in people's mouths.

Your substitution of constant speed with constant speed relative to the aether is (a) not justified, (b) not needed to explain the phenomena, and (c) does not explain the phenomena. You need to justify why you think the way do. Putting words in other people's mouths (or writing in this case) does not cut it.
 
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I put that in there because it is clearly understood. Notice that it doesn't say..."the light from Algol slows down when we are heading towards it and speeds up when we are heading away from it in order to maintain a constant speed of c for the observers on the Earth."

I would like to point out something. Let us assume for a moment that SR is true and Algol is let's say 100.5 light-years away. Now then, if SR is true then the time required for light from emission to reception merely depends on the distance at the time of emission. Let's say that the Earth is closest to Algol in its orbit and there is an eclipse. Now then, the eclipse will arrive on Earth after Earth has made 100.5 orbits around the Sun. But after 100.5 orbits, the Earth is furthest away from Algol in its orbit. So the eclipses that occurred when the Earth was receding from Algol will start arriving on Earth as the Earth is approaching Algol. So we would have the bizarre effect of the eclipses being further apart in time as we are approaching Algol.
 
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O Great One said:
Now then, if SR is true then the time required for light from emission to reception merely depends on the distance at the time of emission.

The time required for light to arrive depends on the location of the emitter at the time of emission and the location of the receiver at the time of reception.

The speed of light is constant in two senses:
(i) within one inertial frame in vacuum, the speed of light does not change over time.
(ii) in a frame moving at constant velocity relative to an inertial frame, the speed of light is the same as in the inertial frame.

In this example, sense (i) is being used; sense (ii) is not used since everything is worked in a single frame.
 

1. How does the varying timing of eclipses of Algol relate to the constant speed of light?

The varying timing of eclipses of Algol is caused by the fact that the speed of light is not truly constant. It is affected by factors such as the gravitational pull of surrounding objects, which can cause it to appear to vary in different parts of the universe. This is known as gravitational time dilation.

2. What is the significance of studying the timing of eclipses of Algol?

Studying the timing of eclipses of Algol can provide valuable insights into the behavior and characteristics of stars, as well as the effects of gravity on light. It can also help us better understand the relationship between time and space.

3. How do scientists measure the timing of eclipses of Algol?

Scientists use a technique called photometry to measure the light emitted by Algol during an eclipse. By analyzing the changes in brightness over time, they can determine the timing of the eclipse and any variations in its frequency.

4. Can the timing of eclipses of Algol be predicted accurately?

While the timing of eclipses of Algol can be predicted to a certain degree of accuracy, there are still factors that can affect this prediction, such as the gravitational interactions of other objects in the system. Therefore, it is not always possible to make completely accurate predictions.

5. How does the study of eclipses of Algol contribute to our understanding of the universe?

Studying the timing of eclipses of Algol can provide valuable information about the behavior of stars, the effects of gravity, and the nature of time and space. This can help us gain a deeper understanding of the universe and its workings, and potentially lead to new discoveries and advancements in science and technology.

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