Vector Addition Help: Solving P = M + N

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around vector addition, specifically the equation P = M + N, where P, M, and N are vectors expressed in terms of their magnitudes and directions. The original poster seeks assistance in understanding how to add these vectors and find the angle associated with the resultant vector P.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of component-wise addition of vectors and the implications of drawing vectors accurately. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the method of vector addition and the determination of angles related to the resultant vector.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing dialogue about the correct approach to vector addition, with some participants emphasizing the importance of using components while others explore the possibility of using graphical methods. The original poster is actively seeking clarification on how to find angles related to the vectors.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's homework specifies using a vector approach rather than a component approach, leading to some confusion about the methods discussed. There are also concerns about the accuracy of the original poster's drawings in representing the vectors.

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Homework Statement


Alright so i need to add these using vector addition i suppose.
P = M + N
P = 1.8304 kgxm/s (S 6° W) + 3.2864 kgxm/s (S 42° W)

The Attempt at a Solution


This is my half attempt:
http://s1176.beta.photobucket.com/user/LolaGoesLala/media/ggfgf.jpg.html

But i don't know if I am doing it right... and how would i find the angle in between, the angle across P...
.. it would mean a lot if someone helped me out with this...
 
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When you do vector addition, you do it component-wise. You need to find the South and West components of each M and N. Add those together to get the South and West components of P.

Also, your drawing is incorrect. You have red-South as black-East and red-West as black-South. If you use this as your guide, you will either get the right answer and think it's wrong or get the wrong answer and think it's right.
 
frogjg2003 said:
When you do vector addition, you do it component-wise. You need to find the South and West components of each M and N. Add those together to get the South and West components of P.

Also, your drawing is incorrect. You have red-South as black-East and red-West as black-South. If you use this as your guide, you will either get the right answer and think it's wrong or get the wrong answer and think it's right.

Hey, i am a bit confused about your statement ... In my homework it says use the vector way not the components way... i think i know what you mean... but how can i use the vector way to find the answer...
 
frogjg2003 said:
When you do vector addition, you do it component-wise. You need to find the South and West components of each M and N. Add those together to get the South and West components of P.

Also, your drawing is incorrect. You have red-South as black-East and red-West as black-South. If you use this as your guide, you will either get the right answer and think it's wrong or get the wrong answer and think it's right.

And when i was actually doing the drawing.. i tilted the paper and then did my extension of the S 42° W to the 6° angle drawn
 
If you're forced to do it by drawing, you can still confirm using the components.

When drawing, you have to make sure that your drawings are accurate and to scale. If your drawing on photobucket is like the drawing you made for your homework, you will not get the right answer.
 
frogjg2003 said:
If you're forced to do it by drawing, you can still confirm using the components.

When drawing, you have to make sure that your drawings are accurate and to scale. If your drawing on photobucket is like the drawing you made for your homework, you will not get the right answer.

Oh... umm but like how would i find the angle that is opposite to the P... i mean the angle in between i am confused... on that part... well i know there is the 42° but what about the other angle that contributes into that...?
 
You're supposed to find the angle of P from South. Take a protractor, place the center at the tail of P, with 0 degrees pointing South. Measure the angle of P.
 
frogjg2003 said:
You're supposed to find the angle of P from South. Take a protractor, place the center at the tail of P, with 0 degrees pointing South. Measure the angle of P.

But what if i were to actually do it algebracally... so like finding the angle that is apposite to p AND then finding the p using cosine law.. and at the end find the angle that of P..
 
If you want to do it algebraically, you have to do it component-wise. There is no other way.
 
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frogjg2003 said:
If you want to do it algebraically, you have to do it component-wise. There is no other way.

We did one question in class... but this question i am having trouble with,,,
 
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I highly doubt you did a question like this in class without resorting to components in some way. In class, did you at one point use a tan(something)?
 

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