Vector and Plane Relationship in 3D

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between a vector contained in a plane and the normal vector of that plane in a three-dimensional context. Participants explore the geometric implications of this relationship, including definitions and axioms related to normal vectors and planes.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the normal vector of a plane is orthogonal to a vector contained within that plane.
  • Another participant asserts that the normal vector is indeed perpendicular to all vectors in the plane.
  • A follow-up inquiry seeks clarification on the axiomatic basis for the normal vector's orientation and its constraints in three-dimensional space.
  • A more technical contribution defines the plane and its normal vector mathematically, stating that the normal vector is orthogonal to any linear combination of vectors that define the plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the normal vector is perpendicular to vectors in the plane, but there is an ongoing inquiry into the foundational definitions and constraints of this relationship.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on definitions of normality and the mathematical representation of planes, but some assumptions and definitions remain implicit and are not fully explored.

Travis Enigma
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Vector contained inside the plane.
I have a quick question. If a Vector is contained inside a plane, would the normal of the plane be orthogonal to said vector?

Thank you!
 
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Yes. The normal vector of the plane is perpendicular to all vectors in the plane.
 
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Okay thank you so much!
 
fresh_42 said:
Yes. The normal vector of the plane is perpendicular to all vectors in the plane.
Does that statement relate to some axiom / definition? Pardon my non-mathematical ignorance but what constrains the normal not to be anywhere in 3D? (I'm thinking Geometry here)
 
Let ##P:=\mathbb{R}\cdot \vec{p} \oplus \mathbb{R}\cdot \vec{q}## be the plane and ##\vec{n}## its normal vector. Then ##\langle \vec{n},P \rangle =0## by definition of normality. This means that ##\langle \vec{n},\lambda \vec{p}+\mu \vec{q} \rangle=0## for all ##\lambda ,\mu \in \mathbb{R}.## This is especially true for the given vector contained in the plane whose coordinates are a specific pair ##(\lambda ,\mu).##

If you define normality by ##\vec{n} \perp \vec{p}\, \wedge \vec{n}\perp \vec{q} \,,## then we get
$$
0=\lambda \cdot 0+\mu\cdot 0=\lambda \langle \vec{n},\vec{p}\rangle +\mu \langle \vec{n},\vec{q}\rangle=\langle \vec{n},\lambda \vec{p}+\mu\vec{q}\rangle
$$
and again ##\vec{n}\perp \lambda \vec{p}+\mu\vec{q}## for a given pair of coordinates ##(\lambda ,\mu).##
 

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