Vector Calculus Identities: Proving v · ∇v = ∇(0.5v2 + c × v)

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The discussion revolves around proving vector calculus identities involving the expression v · ∇v and its relation to ∇(0.5v² + c × v), where c is defined as ∇ × v. The subject area is vector calculus, focusing on vector fields and their derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of vector calculus identities, particularly the product rule for gradients. There are attempts to manipulate the expressions involving cross products and gradients. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain equalities and the interpretation of terms like v × (∇ × v).

Discussion Status

Some participants provide feedback on the attempts made, with one expressing confusion over the initial formulation. Others offer clarifications and suggest alternative interpretations of the expressions. There is a collaborative effort to refine the understanding of the identities involved.

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There are indications of missing information or rules not found in textbooks, which may affect the participants' reasoning. The original poster acknowledges a misunderstanding in their initial approach, prompting further discussion.

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Homework Statement



Show that v[tex]\nabla[/tex]v = [tex]\nabla[/tex]xvxv
v · ∇v = ∇(0.5v2 + c × v

c=∇ × v

My attempt
∇(A · B)= B · ∇A + A · ∇B + B×(∇×A) + A×(∇×B)

Replace A and B with V

∇(v · v)= v · ∇v + v · ∇v + v×(∇×v) + v×(∇×v)

v · ∇v = ∇(0.5v2 - v×(∇×v)

Is v×(∇×v) = =∇ × v × v?
And am I on the right track?

I can't fint such a rule in my textbook
 
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doesn't vxv = 0?
 
MaxManus said:

Homework Statement



Show that v[tex]\nabla[/tex]v = [tex]\nabla[/tex]xvxv
v · ∇v = ∇(0.5v2 + c × v

c=∇ × v

What you've written doesn't make much sense...Do you mean [itex]v\matbf{\nabla}v=(\mathbf{\nabla}\times \textbf{v})\times\textbf{v}+(\textbf{v}\cdot\mathbf{\nabla})\textbf{v}[/itex] ?
My attempt
∇(A · B)= B · ∇A + A · ∇B + B×(∇×A) + A×(∇×B)

Replace A and B with V

∇(v · v)= v · ∇v + v · ∇v + v×(∇×v) + v×(∇×v)

v · ∇v = ∇(0.5v2 - v×(∇×v)

Is v×(∇×v) = =∇ × v × v?
And am I on the right track?

I can't fint such a rule in my textbook

Well, [itex]\textbf{a}\times\textbf{b}=-\textbf{b}\times\textbf{a}[/itex], so you tell us whether or not [itex](\mathbf{\nabla}\times \textbf{v})\times\textbf{v}=\textbf{v}\times(\mathbf{\nabla}\times \textbf{v})[/itex]:wink:
 
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Thanks to both of you.
The first line is wrong

I was suppose to show that
v · [tex]\nabla[/tex]v = ∇[tex]\nabla[/tex](0.5v2) + c × v

c=∇[tex]\nabla[/tex]× v.
I then usend
∇[tex]\nabla[/tex](A · B)=B · [tex]\nabla[/tex]A + A · [tex]\nabla[/tex]B + B×([tex]\nabla[/tex]×A) + A×([tex]\nabla[/tex]×B)

Replaced A and B with v

And got

v[tex]\nabla[/tex]v = [tex]\nabla[/tex](0.5v2) - v×([tex]\nabla[/tex]×v)

Using A×B = - B×A

- v×([tex]\nabla[/tex]×v) = ([tex]\nabla[/tex]×vv

And I have:

v · [tex]\nabla[/tex]v = ∇[tex]\nabla[/tex](0.5v2) + c × v

c=∇[tex]\nabla[/tex]× v.

Am I right?

Thanks again for all the help
 
Looks good to me:smile:
 
Thanks.
 

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