Vector field:one aspect that everyone knows but nobody shown

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The discussion revolves around the nature of vector fields and their implications for forces between charges, particularly focusing on whether a generic vector field produces repulsive forces between like charges. Participants explore theoretical aspects, references to literature, and the implications for gravitational theories.

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  • Some participants assert that a generic vector field does not produce repulsive forces between like charges, contrasting it with the Coulomb field which is specifically defined to do so.
  • Others argue that the question is more general than just the Coulomb force, seeking a broader understanding of vector fields.
  • References to literature are provided, including claims from general relativity texts that suggest vector fields cannot describe gravity due to their predicted repulsive interactions between massive particles.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of certain statements in literature, requesting specific references to support claims made by others.
  • There is a suggestion that the level of the question may not align with the initial designation of the thread, prompting discussions about the appropriateness of the inquiry's complexity.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the nature of vector fields and their implications for forces between charges, with no consensus reached on the validity of the claims made about literature references or the nature of gravity.

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Participants reference various texts and their interpretations, but there are unresolved questions about the accuracy and context of these references. The discussion reflects differing levels of understanding and expectations regarding the complexity of the topic.

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Why a generic vector field produces repulsive forces between charges of the same sign? And where can I find a book or a paper in which it is shown?
 
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Calculate e-e- scattering and e+e- scattering and take the non relativistic limit. It's probably in every book.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Calculate e-e- scattering and e+e- scattering and take the non relativistic limit. It's probably in every book.
Thanks, but your answer is equivalent to: take like charges and calculate the Coulomb force. My question is more general
 
Chhhiral said:
Thanks, but your answer is equivalent to: take like charges and calculate the Coulomb force. My question is more general
His answer is very appropriate for an "advanced" level response, which is what you asked for by marking the thread as "A". I will adjust the level of the question to more appropriately reflect what you are looking for.
 
DaleSpam said:
A generic vector field does not produce repulsive forces between like charges. A Coulomb field does. The reason why is simply the way the Coulomb field is defined:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb's_law#Vector_form
in many books of general relativity I found the statement: a vector field produces repulsive forces between like charges so can not be used to describe gravity ...
 
Chhhiral said:
in many books of general relativity I found the statement
I have never seen such a statement. Can you provide the reference.
 
DaleSpam said:
I have never seen such a statement. Can you provide the reference.
Gasperini, Maurizio. Relatività Generale e Teoria della Gravitazione. Springer Milan, 2015. pag:27
the English version should be: Gasperini, Maurizio. Theory of Gravitational interactions. Springer Science & Business Media, 2013. at the chapter: "Towards a relativistic theory of gravitation".
I found the same assertion in other books, I will send you more references
 
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DaleSpam said:
His answer is very appropriate for an "advanced" level response, which is what you asked for by marking the thread as "A". I will adjust the level of the question to more appropriately reflect what you are looking for.
I'm trying to understand why a vector field can not be used to describe gravity. Not because the force of Coulumb is so defined or because the Lagrangian of the electromagnetic field leads to Bhabha scattering...
 
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DaleSpam said:
I have never seen such a statement. Can you provide the reference.
Hobson, Michael Paul, George P. Efstathiou, and Anthony N. Lasenby.General relativity: an introduction for physicists. Cambridge University Press, 2006. pag:191
"A gravitational theory based on a vector field can be eliminated since such a theory
predicts that two massive particles would repel one another, rather than attract."

Are you really sure my question is an "I" level?
 
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DaleSpam said:
His answer is very appropriate for an "advanced" level response, which is what you asked for by marking the thread as "A". I will adjust the level of the question to more appropriately reflect what you are looking for.
You have been so quick to downgrade my question ... but now you do not answer ... maybe do you want other references? Please answer me, is a very important question for me... thanks
 
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I am closing this thread. You have opened a new one in the relativity forum which I think is a better place for it and is a better description of the question.
 

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