Vector Notation Inconsistencies

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The discussion revolves around the notation of vectors in three-dimensional space, specifically how different conventions may affect the interpretation of vector components. The original poster is uncertain about how to read a given vector based on differing representations from their teacher and textbook.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the correct interpretation of a vector given in the form A = (2,1,-4) based on varying notational conventions. Some participants discuss the validity of different coordinate systems and their orientations, while others question the implications of these differences on vector representation.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the nuances of vector notation and coordinate systems. There is acknowledgment that both notational conventions can be correct, but clarity on the standard ordering of components is being sought. Some guidance has been offered regarding the typical representation of vectors in Cartesian coordinates.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's online homework not aligning directly with their teacher's or textbook's conventions, which adds to the complexity of the discussion. The conversation also touches on the implications of right-handed versus left-handed coordinate systems.

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My teacher writes 3 dimensions like this:

3spaceaa-1.png



My textbook writes it like this:

3spacea.png




If my online H/W is not directly written by my teacher and not directly written by my textbook (MasteringPhysics online HW), then when presented with a vector such as:

A = (2,1,-4)

Should I read it as:

A = (2x, 1y, -4z) or A = (2z, 1x, -4y)


I'm going to guess the H/W is more in line with the teacher's convention than my textbook's convention and that's how I'm going to proceed. However, if anyone has more insightful input as to how to read this vector, I'm all ears.
 
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x= 2, y=1, z= -4

The coordinate system is a matter preference both is correct but a point is identified as (x,y,z)
 
both ARE correct, poor grammar
 
RTW, I appreciate your response, thanks.

P.S.

"is" ..."are...it's all the same to me. ..Good thing this good place is not called "Grammerforums" :)
 
LearninDaMath said:
My teacher writes 3 dimensions like this:

3spaceaa-1.png



My textbook writes it like this:

3spacea.png




If my online H/W is not directly written by my teacher and not directly written by my textbook (MasteringPhysics online HW), then when presented with a vector such as:

A = (2,1,-4)

Should I read it as:

A = (2x, 1y, -4z) or A = (2z, 1x, -4y)


I'm going to guess the H/W is more in line with the teacher's convention than my textbook's convention and that's how I'm going to proceed. However, if anyone has more insightful input as to how to read this vector, I'm all ears.

The two coordinate systems are the same. Both are "right-handed." They're just viewed from different orientations. Take the first one and rotate it 90 degrees counterclockwise around the x-axis. Then rotate it 90 degrees around the y-axis. The result is what is shown in the second diagram.

To actually *change* the coordinate system, (e.g. to make it "left-handed"), you'd have to change which direction is positive for one of the axes.

Now, to actually answer your question: when vectors are written down in terms of a comma-separated list of their Cartesian components in parentheses, the ordering is always (x,y,z). To do anything else would be very unusual and probably lead to confusion.
 
cepheid said:
The two coordinate systems are the same. Both are "right-handed." They're just viewed from different orientations. Take the first one and rotate it 90 degrees counterclockwise around the x-axis. Then rotate it 90 degrees around the y-axis. The result is what is shown in the second diagram.

To actually *change* the coordinate system, (e.g. to make it "left-handed"), you'd have to change which direction is positive for one of the axes.

Now, to actually answer your question: when vectors are written down in terms of a comma-separated list of their Cartesian components in parentheses, the ordering is always (x,y,z). To do anything else would be very unusual and probably lead to confusion.


I actually had to pick up the nearest box shaped item in my vicinity and rotate it to prove it to myself lol.

I appreciate your feedback, thanks.
 

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