Vector Proof Homework: Show Invariance of Distance from Origin

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Homework Statement


An (x,y) coordinate system is rotated through an angle theta to produce an (x',y') system, see figure.
A point with coordinates (x,y) will have coordinates (x',y') in the rotated system given by:
x'1 = (x1 * cos theta) + (y1 * sin theta)
y'1 = (-x1 * sin theta) + (y1 * cos theta)
Show that the formula for the distance of the point from the origin is invariant, or unchanged, by the rotation. That is, show:
sqrt (x12 + y12) = sqrt (x'12 + y'12)


Homework Equations


I don't know if these are really relevant, I just thought so:
ax = a cos theta
ay = a sin theta
a = sqrt (ax2 + ay2)
tan theta = ay/ax
where a = the magnitude of vector a and theta = the angle vector a makes with the positive direction of the x axis

The Attempt at a Solution


So I thought this was asking, more or less, to prove that rotating the axes changes the components of the vector but not the vector itself.

I set the two equations given equal to each other, subbing in the information given for x' and y', but I don't know how to proceed or even if this was a good place to start. Any ideas for starting off?

sqrt (x12 + y12) = sqrt (((x1 * cos theta) + (y1 * sin theta))2 + ((-x1 * sin theta) + (y1 * cos theta))2)
 

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uchicago2012 said:
So I thought this was asking, more or less, to prove that rotating the axes changes the components of the vector but not the vector itself.

I set the two equations given equal to each other, subbing in the information given for x' and y', but I don't know how to proceed or even if this was a good place to start. Any ideas for starting off?

sqrt (x12 + y12) = sqrt (((x1 * cos theta) + (y1 * sin theta))2 + ((-x1 * sin theta) + (y1 * cos theta))2)
'Looks good to me so far. :approve:

Leave the left side of the equation alone. Start expanding the right side. See if any terms cancel out as you go. :wink: Eventually you will find the trig identity,

[tex]\cos^2 \theta + \sin^2 \theta = 1[/tex]

quite useful.
 
So I worked on the given equation, simplifying until I got:

(x12 + y12)1/2 = ( (x1 * cos theta)2 + (x1 sin theta)2 + 4(x1 * cos theta * y1 * sin theta) + (y1 * sin theta)2 + (y1 * cos theta)2 )1/2

But I don't see where to go from here. I feel as if I should be able to see a2 + b2 (as in the Pythagorean theorem) in this mess, but I don't see it. Perhaps that's just off base anyway and I just haven't done enough algebra.
 
uchicago2012 said:
So I worked on the given equation, simplifying until I got:

(x12 + y12)1/2 = ( (x1 * cos theta)2 + (x1 sin theta)2 + 4(x1 * cos theta * y1 * sin theta) + (y1 * sin theta)2 + (y1 * cos theta)2 )1/2

But I don't see where to go from here. I feel as if I should be able to see a2 + b2 (as in the Pythagorean theorem) in this mess, but I don't see it. Perhaps that's just off base anyway and I just haven't done enough algebra.
The term in red involves a little mistake. But that little mistake makes a big difference.

Here's a hint. In your original substitution,

[tex]\sqrt{\left( x_1 \cos \theta + y_1 \sin \theta \right) ^2 + \left( {\color{red}{-}} x_1 \sin \theta + y_1 \cos \theta \right) ^2},[/tex]

the x1sinθ has a negative sign attached to it (in red, directly above). However, when you expanded all the terms, everything somehow ended up positive (which is where the mistake fits in). :wink:
 

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