Vector sample problem -- Force components on a spring mechanism

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The discussion centers on calculating the spring force required to achieve a vertical resultant force in a spring mechanism. The participants determined that a compressive force of 60N is necessary, with a resultant force calculated as 10800. The calculations involve vector addition, specifically using the equation R=F2+Fx2-2(F)(Fx)cos120, leading to a resultant magnitude of approximately 103.92. The conversation also clarifies the conditions under which the spring is in tension or compression based on the direction of the applied forces.

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Homework Statement
Resolve to its component
Relevant Equations
vector addition
Determine the amount and type (tensile or compressive) of the spring force so that the resulting force is a vertical force. Also get the resultant force.

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i find 60N (compressive)
and resultant forces is 10800
is that correct?
 
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sHatDowN said:
Homework Statement:: Resolve to its component
Relevant Equations:: vector addition

Determine the amount and type (tensile or compressive) of the spring force so that the resulting force is a vertical force. Also get the resultant force.

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i find 60N (compressive)
and resultant forces is 10800
is that correct?
The exerted force is given in lb, not N.
How did you determine the spring is compressed?
How did you calculate the resultant?
 
haruspex said:
How did you determine the spring is compressed?
First, i calculate Fx,Then we apply opposite force.
haruspex said:
How did you calculate the resultant?
R=F2+Fx2-2(F)(Fx)cos120
 
Actually,Its √10800
=103.92
 
sHatDowN said:
Actually,Its √10800
=103.92

Your magnitude is ok. I would have just noted that for ##R## to be vertical the force applied by the spring is opposite the component of ##F## in the horizontal direction ##{}^+ \leftarrow, {}^+ \downarrow##:

$$ F_s = - F \cos 60° = -60 ~[\rm{lbf}]$$

$$R = F \sin 60° = 60 \sqrt{3} ~ [\rm{lbf}]$$

Which is what you have.

However, is the spring in tension or compression when it is applying the force ##F_s##?
 
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sHatDowN said:
... Determine the amount and type (tensile or compressive) of the spring force so that the resulting force is a vertical force.
:oldconfused:

The represented guide for that wheel (pushing or pulling the spring) is limiting the direction in which the spring is receiving any force, which is horizontal, rather than vertical.
 
Lnewqban said:
:oldconfused:

The represented guide for that wheel (pushing or pulling the spring) is limiting the direction in which the spring is receiving any force, which is horizontal, rather than vertical.
Yes, you right thanks a lot
 
Did you change your mind about it being in compression?
 
Yes, thanks a lot.
 
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Lnewqban said:
:oldconfused:

The represented guide for that wheel (pushing or pulling the spring) is limiting the direction in which the spring is receiving any force, which is horizontal, rather than vertical.
You misunderstand the question. It is asking what horizontal force from the spring will produce a vertical force when combined with the applied force F (and whether the spring will be in tension or compression). Which is a complicated way of asking for the force on the spring in equilibrium.
 

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