Vector Space: Valid Addition Defined

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The discussion revolves around the properties of vector addition and the concept of additive identities and inverses within a vector space. Participants are examining the conditions under which the additive identity and inverse are defined, particularly questioning the validity of (0,0) as the additive identity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of vector addition and the implications of additive identities and inverses. There is a focus on whether (0,0) can serve as the additive identity, with some suggesting alternative identities and questioning assumptions made in the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the definitions and properties of vector spaces. Some have offered insights into the nature of the additive identity, while others are reconsidering their assumptions about the definitions involved.

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There is an ongoing debate about the correct form of the additive identity, with participants noting that the standard assumption of (0,0) may not hold in this context. The implications of defining the additive inverse are also being examined, particularly in cases where components may be zero.

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The book says x + y = 0 is not satisfied. That is, for each x in V, there is a y that satisfies the equation, which is an additive inverse. How vector addition is defined, for each x, I could simply set b1 = -a1 and b2 = 0 to satisfy the additive inverse.
 
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Shackleford said:
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The book says x + y = 0 is not satisfied. That is, for each x in V, there is a y that satisfies the equation, which is an additive inverse. How vector addition is defined, for each x, I could simply set b1 = -a1 and b2 = 0 to satisfy the additive identity.

Hi Shackleford! :smile:

The problem is that the additive identity is not (0,0) here. Indeed, the additive identity (a,b) must satisfy

[tex](x,y)+(a,b)=(x,y)[/tex]

and thus

[tex](x+a,yb)=(x,y)[/tex]

but with (a,b)=(0,0), we have

[tex](x,y)+(0,0)=(x+0,y0)=(x,0)[/tex]

which is not what we wanted. So (0,0) is not the additive identity. Can you figure out what is?
 
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Shackleford said:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n149/camarolt4z28/IMG_20110606_200153.jpg

The book says x + y = 0 is not satisfied. That is, for each x in V, there is a y that satisfies the equation, which is an additive inverse. How vector addition is defined, for each x, I could simply set b1 = -a1 and b2 = 0 to satisfy the additive identity.

But the identity isn't (0,0) is it? What is the identity?
 
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Wait second. I meant additive inverse, not identity.
 
Shackleford said:
Wait second. I meant additive inverse, not identity.

I know you did. But you assumed that (0,0) was the additive identity, which is not true!
 
micromass said:
I know you did. But you assumed that (0,0) was the additive identity, which is not true!

No. I didn't. I did not state what the additive identity is. The additive identity would have to be (0,1).
 
Oh, I see now.

I completely overlooked that part.
 
Even still, I could define b2 = (a2)-1.

Oops. What if it's zero. Then, it doesn't work.
 
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