Orthogonal Projection in Inner Product Space with Dimension 2 and Basis {1,x}

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The discussion revolves around finding the orthogonal projection of a vector onto a subspace W within an inner product space of dimension 2, specifically using the basis {1, x}. Participants are exploring the implications of using an orthonormal basis and the Gram-Schmidt process in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of using an orthonormal basis for the projection formula and the implications of not normalizing the basis. There are attempts to apply the Gram-Schmidt process and normalize the basis vectors, with varying results and calculations being shared.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and reasoning. Some have offered guidance on normalization and orthogonality, while others are verifying their results against found answers. There is no explicit consensus on the final projection results, as discrepancies in calculations are noted.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific methods or approaches to be used in solving the problem. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in calculations and assumptions about the basis vectors.

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I found a final answer online, but my vector is slightly different. I haven't been able to catch my mistake.

I'm supposed to find the orthogonal projection of the given vector on the given subspace W of the the inner product space V.

P1 has dimension 2 and basis = {1,x}.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n149/camarolt4z28/File2.png
 
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I haven't thought it through to the end, but doesn't the formula you're trying to use for the orthogonal projection onto W require that you use an orthonormal basis for W? (Check what your book says. I was too lazy to look it up myself or think about it).
 
Fredrik said:
I haven't thought it through to the end, but doesn't the formula you're trying to use for the orthogonal projection onto W require that you use an orthonormal basis for W? (Check what your book says. I was too lazy to look it up myself or think about it).

I didn't normalize {1,x} for W. That's the problem. Good catch. Thanks.
 
I normalized the basis {1,x} for W: {1, sqrt(3)x}

I'm getting for the projection (29/6) + (15/2)x.
 
You normalized the basis vectors, but they're still not orthogonal.
 
vela said:
You normalized the basis vectors, but they're still not orthogonal.

The orthogonality slipped my mind. I suppose I should use Gram-Schdmit for that.

{1, x-(1/2)}
 
I don't know why this problem is giving me trouble.

I used Gram-Schmidt on the standard basis for P1 and got {1, x-(1/2)}. I normalized this basis for W and got

u1 = 1
u2 = sqrt(12)(x-(1/2)).
 
Looks good.
 
vela said:
Looks good.

When I use the projection formula I get x - (62/66).

The answer I found has x - (13/3).
 
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I get neither. Show us your calculations.
 
  • #11
vela said:
I get neither. Show us your calculations.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n149/camarolt4z28/File21.png
 
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  • #12
You just added incorrectly when evaluating the last integral. You should get ##1/\sqrt{12}##.
 
  • #13
vela said:
You just added incorrectly when evaluating the last integral. You should get ##1/\sqrt{12}##.

Shoot. You're right. I should have had a +1/2, not -1/2. The last integral should actually be sqrt(12)/12. I do end up with x + 26/6.

Thanks for the help! I'm all finished with this assignment. I'm graduating in May, so I'm counting down the weeks and assignments! Haha.
 
  • #14
Ah, yes, it is x+13/3. I didn't actually multiply it out here.
 

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