Vectors & Section Formula: Proving Collinearity

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the collinearity of points B, E, and F in triangle ABC using position vectors and the section formula. The problem involves understanding vector division and ratios within the context of geometry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the section formula to find the vectors D, E, and F. There are attempts to clarify the ratios involved in the section formula and how to determine the correct values for m and n. Questions arise regarding the logic behind identifying which point is closer in the ratio.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed with participants sharing their calculations for the vectors and engaging in a dialogue about proving collinearity. Some participants express uncertainty about their reasoning, while others provide supportive feedback and corrections. There is a recognition of the need to show that the vectors BE and EF are scalar multiples of each other to establish collinearity.

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Participants mention that this is part of their revision and not an immediate homework assignment, indicating a focus on understanding rather than completing a task for submission. There is also a reference to potential mistakes in calculations that are being addressed in real-time.

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Homework Statement



In the triangle ABC, D divides AB in the ratio 3:2, E divides DC in the ratio 1:5 and F divides AC in the ratio 1:2. Show (using position vectors and the section formula) that B, E and F are collinear and find BE:EF


Homework Equations



Section formula = [tex]\frac{m \textbf{a} = n\textbf{b}}{m+n}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Other than drawing this out, and spotting that they look like they're kind of in a line.
This isn't due for homework or anything, I'm just revising, so it would be really useful if someone cold explain this to me.

Any ideas?
 
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Hi andrew.c! :smile:

Use the section formula to find the vectors D E and F

for example, F = … ? :smile:
 


F = [tex]\frac{a+2c}{3}[/tex] ?
 
andrew.c said:
F divides AC in the ratio 1:2.
andrew.c said:
F = [tex]\frac{a+2c}{3}[/tex] ?

Almost … but it's closer to A,

so f = (2a + c)/3 :wink:

Next, what are D and E? :smile:
 


AD/DB = 3/2

sec. formula...

[tex]\frac{3a+2b}{5}[/tex]

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DE/EC = 1/5

sec. formula...

[tex]\frac{d+5c}{6}[/tex]
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I still don't really understand which value in the ratio is m and which is n, I am just reading it as AD/DB = m/n. Is this right?
 
andrew.c said:
I still don't really understand which value in the ratio is m and which is n …

Forget the formula

I never remember which way round it is …

I just ask myself each time "which one is it nearer?"

so if DE:EC = 1:5, then it's nearer D, so … ? :smile:
 


ok, i get that logic :)

so it would be...

[tex]D = \frac{2a+3b}{5}[/tex]

and

[tex]E = \frac{5d+6}{c}[/tex]
 
Yup! :biggrin:

(except for the obvious mistake … quick! edit it before anyone else notices! :wink:)

ok, now you have the vectors for B E and F …

how can you prove they're collinear? :smile:
 


OK, so I have...

[tex]D = \frac{2a+3b}{5}[/tex] [tex]E=\frac{5d+c}{6}[/tex] and [tex]F = \frac{2a+C}{3}[/tex]

For collinearity, I need to prove that BE is parallel to EF, with a common point at E?

I tried this, but not sure if its right - i got the bottom lines to be the same, but my notes indicate that they should be a scalar multiple of each other!

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Sub. D into E to get...

[tex]E = \frac{2a+3b+c}{6}[/tex]

[tex]BE = e-b<br /> =\frac{2a+3b+c}{6} - b<br /> =\frac{2a+3b+c}{6}-\frac{6b}{6}<br /> =\frac{2a-3b+c}{6}[/tex]

[tex]EF = f-e<br /> =\frac{2a+c}{3}-\frac{2a+3b+c}{6}<br /> =\frac{4a-2c}{6} -\frac{2a+3b+c}{6}<br /> =\frac{2a-3b+c}{6}[/tex]

Since they are equal, and E was a common point, they are collinear?

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Is BE:EF just 1:1 ?

Thanks for your help btw!
 
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andrew.c said:
… Since they are equal, and E was a common point, they are collinear?

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Is BE:EF just 1:1 ?

Thanks for your help btw!

Yes, that's very good

(except you typed a minus for a plus in the last line :rolleyes:)

the vectors BE and EF are exactly the same, in other words BE = EF, so yes, obviously it's 1:1 :smile:
 
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Ta muchly for your help!

Now i need to tackle vectors intercepting planes. Oh joy of joys!
 

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