Is My Formula Accurate for Calculating Vehicle Transmission Ratios?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the accuracy of a proposed formula for calculating vehicle transmission ratios, specifically the relationship between engine speed and tire speed. Participants explore various aspects of the formula, including its components and the relevance of tire measurements.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a formula that incorporates rim size along with tire specifications to calculate the correlation between engine speed and tire speed.
  • Another participant challenges the necessity of including rim size, suggesting that only the tire diameter or circumference is relevant for the calculation.
  • A participant defends the inclusion of rim size, arguing that using tire specifications is more accessible for users who may not have the means to measure tires directly.
  • There is a correction offered regarding the calculation of tire diameter from tire specifications, indicating a potential error in the initial formula.
  • A different formula is presented that simplifies the calculation by using a constant to convert tire diameter to miles per hour, along with specific drive ratios and tire sizes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the components of the formula, particularly regarding the inclusion of rim size and the method for calculating tire diameter. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the original formula or the proposed corrections, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential inaccuracies in the calculations and assumptions regarding tire measurements, but these issues remain unresolved within the discussion.

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I think I have devised a formula to depict the correlation between engine speed and tire speed. Can anyone confirm or correct this?

[ 1 mile / ( diameter of rim + profile thickness of tire ) * pi ] * ( x / 60 ) * ( gear ratio ) * ( final gear )

I used this in a function to graph the 5 gears for a 240sx. The results seem reasonable but I have yet to actually test this data.
 
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Welcome to PF, Mahoutekiyo.
I know nothing from math, but I see an unnecessary step in your equation. There is absolutely no need to incorporate the rim size. It is only the diameter/circumference of the tire that's relevant.
 
I knew this, however, I thought it would be easier to calculate it this way because people can get those number right off the tire rather than have to measure the tire, which would be less accurate because the tire is curved unless you had a T-square.

I thought it would be better using tire numbers because you can get specs like that for any car with physically having to be there to measure it. For example:

a tire that says 206/60 R15 would be:
(206mm)(.6) + 15in = diameter

Unfortunately, I just discovered this is inaccurate. ='\
 
mahoutekiyo said:
a tire that says 206/60 R15 would be:
(206mm)(.6) + 15in = diameter
Try ((206mm)(.6)x2) + 15 inch = diameter.
 
Try:

(rpm * diameter) / (drive ratio * 336) = MPH

There's a constant in there of approximately 336 to convert from tire diameter to mph, which is basically:

(12*5280) / (60 * pi).

In my case, my drive ratio is determined by 4.11:1 differentials, a 4:1 transfer case, and a 4.46:1 1st gear, so I have a 73:1 drive ratio and 31" tires.

In first gear in 4Lo at 2000 rpm, I'm cruising along at about 2.5 mph. In the scary parts, I drop my rpm down to about 1000 rpm or even a little lower.
 
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