Velocity of cyclist undergoing air resistance

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation modeling the velocity of a cyclist experiencing air resistance. The equation incorporates constants related to power, mass, drag coefficient, air density, and cross-sectional area, and participants are exploring both analytical and numerical approaches to understand the behavior of the system.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss simplifying the original differential equation and transforming it into a different form. There are attempts to derive limiting velocities and typical times based on new constants. Some participants express uncertainty about the classification of the differential equation and question the validity of including additional terms like viscous drag.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing numerical results that suggest consistency in limiting velocities regardless of certain terms in the equation. There is a consideration of the relevance of the Reynolds number in the context of viscous drag, indicating a productive exploration of assumptions and implications.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a numerical problem setup and are examining the effects of various parameters on the model, including the potential neglect of viscous drag in certain scenarios.

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Homework Statement


I'm attempting to solve the differential equation,

\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{P}{mv}-\frac{1}{2m}C\rho Av^{2}​
where P, \rho, m, A, C are constants.

The differential equation is used to approximate the velocity of a cyclist undergoing air resistance.

It's actually presented as a numerical problem but I'm wondering if it's possible to solve it analytically.

Homework Equations



\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{P}{mv}-\frac{1}{2m}C\rho Av^{2}​
P, \rho, m, A, C are constants

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure how to classify the ODE. It's not separable, linear nor exact. Not sure how I could use change of variables either.
 
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A first step: Simplify the equation to ##\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{c}{v}-bv^2## with new constants c=P/m and b=CρA/2.

The limit velocity is given by ##V=\sqrt[3]{\frac{c}{b}}## and we can construct a typical time ##T=\sqrt[3]{\frac{1}{cb^2}}##, write ##v=w V## and ##t=T \tau## to get $$\frac{dw}{d\tau}=\frac{1}{w}-w^2$$

WolframAlpha does not find a solution, so it looks like a hard problem.
 
mfb said:
A first step: Simplify the equation to ##\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{c}{v}-bv^2## with new constants c=P/m and b=CρA/2.

The limit velocity is given by ##V=\sqrt[3]{\frac{c}{b}}## and we can construct a typical time ##T=\sqrt[3]{\frac{1}{cb^2}}##, write ##v=w V## and ##t=T \tau## to get $$\frac{dw}{d\tau}=\frac{1}{w}-w^2$$

WolframAlpha does not find a solution, so it looks like a hard problem.

Just wondering how you determined the limit velocity to be ##V=\sqrt[3]{\frac{c}{b}}##.
 
Setting dv/dt=0 gives 0=c/V - bV^2, with the posted solution.
 
Ah OK.

Thanks, mfb.
 
So I've gone through the problem numerically and the results that I'm getting are identical, regardless of whether or not I include the viscous term ## -\frac{\eta Av}{mh} ## in the differential equation.

So, without the viscous term,
\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{P}{mv}-\frac{1}{2m}C\rho Av^{2}​

While with the viscous term,
\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{P}{mv}-\frac{1}{2m}C\rho Av^{2} -\frac{\eta}{mh}Av​

I've gone through a couple of scenarios:

1) Cyclist in air with the following constants:
## P = 400 W, m = 70kg, C = 0.5, \rho = 1.225 kg/m^{2}, A = 0.33 m^{2}, \eta = 2*10^{-5} Pas, h = 1.5 m, v_{0} = 4 m/s^{2} ##

Here, my calculated limiting velocity is ## 15.818174 m/s^{2} ## for both viscous and non-viscous considerations.

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2) Cyclist in water with the following constants:
## P = 400 W, m = 70kg, C = 0.5, \rho = 1000 kg/m^{2}, A = 0.33 m^{2}, \eta = 1*10^{-3} Pas, h = 1.5 m, v_{0} = 4 m/s^{2} ##.

In this case, the limiting velocity due without viscous drag is ## 1.692526 m/s^{2} ##, while with viscous drag, it is: ## 1.692525 m/s^{2} ##.

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I've worked out the limiting velocities as you pointed out by hand, mfb, and everything seems to check out...

Would it be correct to consider the Reynold's number in these scenarios? Since the Reynold's number in both of these scenarios is quite large, the viscous drag is negligeable.
 
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Would it be correct to consider the Reynold's number in these scenarios? Since the Reynold's number in both of these scenarios is quite large, the viscous drag is negligeable.
Right.
 

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