Velocity Potential of a Moving Cylinder

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The discussion focuses on deriving the velocity potential of a moving 2D cylinder in a potential fluid. Participants explore the relationship between stationary and moving reference frames, boundary conditions, and the implications of Galilean invariance on fluid motion.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in deriving the velocity potential for a moving cylinder, contrasting it with the known case of a stationary cylinder.
  • Another participant suggests that the flow around a moving cylinder can be analyzed by switching to the cylinder's reference frame, where the cylinder appears stationary and the fluid has a uniform velocity.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for the velocity potential to satisfy specific boundary conditions, including that the fluid remains stationary at far distances and that the fluid velocity on the cylinder's surface matches the cylinder's velocity.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in deriving the potential scientifically, having resorted to trial and error to find a solution that meets the boundary conditions.
  • Another participant mentions Galilean invariance, stating that the laws of motion are the same in all reference frames, which supports the similarity of the solutions for stationary and moving cylinders.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the concept that the analysis can be conducted from different reference frames, but there is no consensus on the specific derivation of the velocity potential for the moving cylinder. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the scientific derivation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of boundary conditions and transformations between reference frames, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps required to derive the velocity potential.

dimasmr21
Hi, i need help in deriving the velocity potential of a moving 2D cylinder (circle) in potential fluid.

The cylinder is moving in negative x direction U(t).

I can derive the velocity potential of fluid past a cylinder (cylinder is stationary, in which it is the scalar summation of uniform flow, and a doublet). But i don't know how to derive the potential for a moving cylinder.

My simple thoughts were:

a.) There is no need to use a uniform flow potential.
b.) The velocity potential shall be in term of U(t), or -dx/dt.

Please kindly help me. Thank you so much.
 
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dimasmr21 said:
I can derive the velocity potential of fluid past a cylinder (cylinder is stationary, in which it is the scalar summation of uniform flow, and a doublet). But i don't know how to derive the potential for a moving cylinder.
The flow of a fluid moving past a cylinder and the flow around a cylinder moving through a stationary fluid are identical. They just use different reference frames. If the velocity of the cylinder is ##-U_{x}\hat{x}##, then in the frame of the cylinder, you can assume the cylinder to be at rest and the far-field velocity of the fluid to be ##U_{x}\hat{x}##.
 
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NFuller said:
The flow of a fluid moving past a cylinder and the flow around a cylinder moving through a stationary fluid are identical. They just use different reference frames. If the velocity of the cylinder is ##-U_{x}\hat{x}##, then in the frame of the cylinder, you can assume the cylinder to be at rest and the far-field velocity of the fluid to be ##U_{x}\hat{x}##.

Thank you so much for your reply. That is my objective. I mean i have to prove that the "pressure distribution" shall be the same.

During the process, i managed to understand that the velocity potential must satisfy two boundary condition (this is what i wrote on my report).
  1. Fluid at the far region from the cylinder shall remain stationary (no flow, or one can simply say that the fluid velocity at the far region is zero)
  2. If one “moves” along with the cylinder, he shall have the same velocity as the cylinder. One can simply interpret that the fluid velocity at every point on cylinder surface is equal to the cylinder velocity.
My problem right now is, i can't seem to derive it in a scientific manner (as i have already found the velocity potential by trial and error (lol) which satisfied the boundary condition).

Thank you, i hope you can help me! :)
 
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dimasmr21 said:
My problem right now is, i can't seem to derive it in a scientific manner (as i have already found the velocity potential by trial and error (lol) which satisfied the boundary condition).
The proof that the two solutions are similar is enforced by Galilean invariance which states that the laws of motion (including fluid motion) are identical in all reference frames. If the fluid velocity in the frame of the moving cylinder is given by ##U'(\mathbf{x}',t)## then the fluid velocity ##U(\mathbf{x},t)## in the rest frame of the fluid is
$$U(\mathbf{x},t)=U'(\mathbf{x}',t)+\mathbf{v}$$
where ##\mathbf{v}## is the velocity of the moving cylinder and
$$\mathbf{x}'=\mathbf{x}-\mathbf{x}_{0}-\mathbf{v}t$$
where ##\mathbf{x}_{0}## is the initial location of the cylinder in the stationary frame.
The potential ##\phi(\mathbf{x},t)## likewise undergoes the transformation
$$\phi(\mathbf{x},t)=\phi'(\mathbf{x}',t)$$
 

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